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2011-01-05
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Originally Posted by scifi.guy
Yep. That's the one. Not sure what it's called but as far as I remember the software on my first Skype phone from ages ago was something called iSkoot. But it's probably not the software as such but the way it is set up by the network operator.
@czajunia - Is this the app you were alluding to?
http://xseries.three.com/features_skype_demo.shtml
It looks like Skype To Go (or Skype Lite).
Last edited by czajunia; 2011-01-05 at 03:33.
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2011-01-05
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Originally Posted by fcrochik
I am not sure how exactly it works but the phone dials something that looks like a mobile phone number. It shows up on a screen for a few moments only when I make a skype call and after that it just starts connecting to Skype as if I made a normal VoIP Skype call.
czajunia:
Are you sure that on your old phone it actually dials out a "access phone number" instead of using VOIP (starting on your phone)?
That would make more sense.... Especially if you could also call "skype" accounts
Also, I assume that if this was a "cell operator" feature and you are actually dialing a phone number to access skype that they would rely on your caller id to identify your phone.
Do they charge you for data?
Again not sure how it identifies a user name on skype network but it maybe somehow related to the software that runs on your mobile which is what scifi.guy suggested.
Yes, I have an unlimited data plan that is apparently limited to 1GB or 500MB
Skype phone calls if made using my operator software are outside this allowance and they are unlimited (well, there is probably some kind of a limit as well but that's not something you'd use up). So, if I use built in Skype client to make Skype calls rather than my network software it will be part of my data plan. The other problem is that when making VoIP calls the quality is usually much worse than when calling using their Skype client especially if the 3G coverage is patchy.
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2011-01-05
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#184
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Originally Posted by czajunia
Czajunia:
Yes, I have an unlimited data plan that is apparently limited to 1GB or 500MB
So, if I use built in Skype client to make Skype calls rather than my network software it will be part of my data plan. The other problem is that when making VoIP calls the quality is usually much worse than when calling using their Skype client especially if the 3G coverage is patchy.
I am not trying to convince you to use the VOIP. I use skype out (instead of "skype voip") to call phone numbers exactly because of the reasons you mentioned before.
I am just curious how this could work. Do you know if you could place a call without ALSO having a data connection?
I can only imagine two options for this to work:
1) the software on your phone would communicate (send data) with some server "saying" that I call was about to be made to X from Y and then the phone would call a pre-defined number that would be waiting for your call and would recognize who you want to call (X) based on the caller id (Y). Google voice can work somewhat like this but it actually calls you back.
2) The application would call a pre-defined number that would recognize you based on your caller id and would get who you want to call using DTMF. That is how skype out works.
Option 1 would require also using the "data channel". On option2 I can imagine you could somehow use dtmf tones to tell the system about the "skype account" but, as far as I know, you can't call "skype" accounts (just phone numbers) using skype out.
The "missing link" is how you can call a skype account using just the "voice channel" (no data)
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My maemo work:
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For Harmattan:
GeePS - native UI around google maps - GApp - access to optimized mobile "google apps".
Shutdown - shutdown and reboot with one click - QuickCall - one click call, skypeout and google voice integration using dial tones.
WakeOnLan - wake computers on your local network.
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For Maemo/N900:
GApp - access to optimized mobile "google apps". - MobWebMail: browser optimized to access multiple gmail accounts
MyContacts: 75 Contacts on your desktop, ring tones per group and more - GeePS: native front-end for google maps
Macuco2 : web browser to access web sites optimized for the iphone - WakeOnLan: wake up computers on your local network
dbBrowser: Simple application to browse sqlite databases
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2011-01-05
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#185
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@frochik - I haven't used the skype to go app myself so this is just a guess.
There must be a data channel because the skype app shows the contacts who are currently online. Then again this data channel could be inside 3 network's walled garden so it could be free of charge. The proprietary skype code may assign unique DTMF codes to all skype contacts (PC or Mobile). Once a call is initiated to local three network voice number these codes are sent to route the call to the contact.
There must be a data channel because the skype app shows the contacts who are currently online. Then again this data channel could be inside 3 network's walled garden so it could be free of charge. The proprietary skype code may assign unique DTMF codes to all skype contacts (PC or Mobile). Once a call is initiated to local three network voice number these codes are sent to route the call to the contact.
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2011-01-05
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@fcrochik - I am fairly certain scifi.guy is right and there is some kind of data channel due to the reason he's mentioned. After initiating the process the actual call is routed through this special number so it matches your number 1 scenario.
It would be brilliant if it was possible to configure N900 built in skype client to route the calls the same way.
Thanks a lot for your input guys!
It would be brilliant if it was possible to configure N900 built in skype client to route the calls the same way.
Thanks a lot for your input guys!
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2011-01-05
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iskoot page has a detailed explanation of how the routing works.
It seems the skype access point (toll free) number changes based on the location of the contact you are calling. Unfortunately this can't be done in VICaR.
It seems the skype access point (toll free) number changes based on the location of the contact you are calling. Unfortunately this can't be done in VICaR.
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2011-01-06
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@scifi.guy - Cheers for that.
Are you sure that this number changes depending on the location of a contact? I was convinced that it was always calling the same number when using my E71 in the past. I've also read some information on the iSkoot web site but didn't get that impression.
But I understand that even if it was the same number indeed we still wouldn't be able to do it with Vicar due to data connection. Am I right?
Thanks!
Are you sure that this number changes depending on the location of a contact? I was convinced that it was always calling the same number when using my E71 in the past. I've also read some information on the iSkoot web site but didn't get that impression.
But I understand that even if it was the same number indeed we still wouldn't be able to do it with Vicar due to data connection. Am I right?
Thanks!
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2011-01-06
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@czajunia - As frochik suggested, if you know the local skype gateway number and the pattern of DTMF tones to send to route the call, you can configure VICaR similar to skype-out for calling phone numbers. You can't reach PC skype users this way though.
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2011-01-08
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Originally Posted by scifi.guy
Oh, no. I wouldn't know anything about that
@czajunia - As frochik suggested, if you know the local skype gateway number and the pattern of DTMF tones to send to route the call, you can configure VICaR similar to skype-out for calling phone numbers. You can't reach PC skype users this way though.
Thanks for your help guys.
http://xseries.three.com/features_skype_demo.shtml
It looks like Skype To Go (or Skype Lite).
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