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2012-09-24
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Originally Posted by woody14619
think about it...
Let me make sure we're talking about the same things:
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they are still selling N9s
and they will stop supporting them in 3 months?
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Originally Posted by woody14619
appreciate your hard word!
I'm hoping we'll know more about all of this very soon. But right now, what we do know we're happy to share. What we don't we'll be sure to ask about.
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2012-09-25
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Originally Posted by woody14619
Right & my point was I'm not nearly as involved in the community to that extent, I did however ask here & via pm's many times, no answer, & there was at least one Councillor actively following.
And I said more than once that the 17th would be the end of the line, time frame wise. FYI: The central piece of info you noted was talked about several times, including in two separate Council meetings, as someone at the meeting asked that exact question.
Suitable for whom? Others have liked some of the other names proposed, but the number of people "annoyed" by the Hildon name, to my knowledge right now, is two. One is you, and as I recall there was one other in this thread that dislike it.
And that's a total mis-characterization, there's been many throughout the course of this thread who've expressed interest for names other than Hildon, peppered with the odd person who's explicitly expressed a dislike for it (& a preference for theirs), & I'm not one of them.
As for adding names, that will be for the next Board to decide on. As custodians (until the 12th) I don't see using funds to add a DBA as an appropriate use, since we still don't even know how much funding we'll have, and what we'll need to keep the lights on yet.
Then if the next Board decide it's fine to proceed w/a consensus name (no more rushing, Poll can run for several mth etc) we can add extra names to the new one, & maybe remove some if there's too much legal concern.
But TBH I'm over it all long ago, as pointed out many times now, it's really quite a superficial thing. Do others still care? I don't know, maybe quite a few still would.
Perhaps it's best that the next council/BoD get the message out to as wide an audience as possible, that the NFP's already registered under X name, but that it wasn't chosen in the most ideal community consensus fashion, & if they so chose, the council can proceed w/a representative selection process (ofc explain the trivialities of the NFP name as part of that).
As for other groups having the same name: Often the only time this is a conflict is when one goes after the other for using their name. Legally the challenge has to be made, and upheld in court, that a reasonable person could confuse the two groups or think one is a sponsor of, or endorsement of the other. For example the Apple Record company going after Apple Computer over the bitten-apple logo. In this case, since the other "Hildon Foundation" is a municipal water company, I don't think it's going to be an issue.
I always thought something along these lines would in-fact be the reality...
You asked questions here, and in PMs, and we did reply to most of them.<SNIP>
Nobody is asking you to follow ever detail. But would it kill to read a 15 line summary once a week? Nobody is demanding you take part in every discussion or read every detail. Just browsing at the weekly summary, 30 seconds of reading (60 for non-native readers maybe) would keep you up to speed on what's going on.
The problem wasn't that you weren't being answered. You already acknowledged that we stated (once to you directly in the other thread) that the cut-off date was quickly approaching.
And on the name-change topic, I told you earlier that names were not that important. (Remember by analogy about arguing the color of the light bulb while an electrician is outside turning off the power?)
Would it have been great to have a poll for the name 3 months ago? Sure. Initially we were going with Maemo Community until that was shot down by Quim over trademark issues. It was discussed in Council meetings, and put into the first draft of the bylaws months ago though, and nobody complained, until a couple weeks ago.
The current by-laws thread 1st started a mth+ ago not 2wks, that's when I 1st noted the NFP name being used, even then it was getting a bit too late of course, given the deadline.
Frankly, the name is really not at all significant. It will be used in a few legal agreements, and that's about it. We've spent hours here, over something that will be used probably about 30 times in the next 3 years, by a dozen people or so at most.
Meanwhile, of all the people commenting here, only a couple have bothered to even read the bylaws, and comment on them. You know, the thing providing structure, governance and the mission of this foundation? Tell me: Which is more important? The name of a group, or the structure and mission of the group?
You remember Council, right? The group doing all this work to keep things going, while others sit around criticizing them for doing what they were voted in to do...
I don't make a habit of reacting the way I did several posts back, I defy you to find many other eg's in my posting history, it didn't come from nowhere.
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I'm removing email notifications for this thread & all others, except for maybe 1-2 (probably just Maemo elections & by-laws).
If anyone wants me to update the OP (even if it's somewhat redundant ATM), feel free to shoot me a PM & I'll do so.
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As for adding names, that will be for the next Board to decide on. As custodians (until the 12th) I don't see using funds to add a DBA as an appropriate use, since we still don't even know how much funding we'll have, and what we'll need to keep the lights on yet.
As for other groups having the same name: Often the only time this is a conflict is when one goes after the other for using their name. Legally the challenge has to be made, and upheld in court, that a reasonable person could confuse the two groups or think one is a sponsor of, or endorsement of the other. For example the Apple Record company going after Apple Computer over the bitten-apple logo. In this case, since the other "Hildon Foundation" is a municipal water company, I don't think it's going to be an issue.
And before you say you don't have time for it: It took you longer to read this reply than it would have for you to read the summary of the last meeting.
The end result of all of this is that this has been in the work for several months. Your "annoyance" at the name popped up in the last week or two before things had to be finalized, when things more important and far more permanent, were happening.
Would it have been great to have a poll for the name 3 months ago? Sure. Initially we were going with Maemo Community until that was shot down by Quim over trademark issues. It was discussed in Council meetings, and put into the first draft of the bylaws months ago though, and nobody complained, until a couple weeks ago.
Frankly, the name is really not at all significant. It will be used in a few legal agreements, and that's about it. We've spent hours here, over something that will be used probably about 30 times in the next 3 years, by a dozen people or so at most.
Meanwhile, of all the people commenting here, only a couple have bothered to even read the bylaws, and comment on them. You know, the thing providing structure, governance and the mission of this foundation? Tell me: Which is more important? The name of a group, or the structure and mission of the group?
Now you'll excuse me... I have to go see about twisting some arms to run for Council, as the deadline on that is coming up this Friday, and we have to date 0 candidates. You remember Council, right? The group doing all this work to keep things going, while others sit around criticizing them for doing what they were voted in to do...
Maemo Council Member: May 2012 - November 2012
Hildon Foundation founding member.
Hildon Foundation Board of Directors: March 2013 - Jan 15, 2014