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mikecomputing	2012-07-20 , 17:48
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Originally Posted by SamGan

Gems from specc:

Elop has turned the ship - Then how come the company is still making heavy losses and expecting at least another quarter of losses?

WP is gaining traction: - With 2% global market share?

WP8 will be successful - In your dreams but at the moment no shred of evidence to support this.

Nokia is boosting production of WP8 - How when the OS isn't even finished yet and the phone hasn't been designed yet?

I see it in a bigger and longer term:

WP8/W8 embedded ITSELFs may very well succes.

For endusers: because WP8 integrates better with W8. (If I get it right thgey both will use same "SDK"?

Also if Microshit make a better embedded development framework for theyr "ARM toolchains" , based on VisualStudio, it may very well harm Android and ofcourse embedded Linux.

Reason: developers and hw manufactors are lazy and in the moment eclipse (for example) is bloated peice of **** in embedded. And if no one comes up with something better Microsoft will take over this area :/

Also setting up a developer toolchain for linux is still complicated beast.

I hink I run oftopic here but back to topic. WP8 itself may take back users and hwmanufactors from Android. But question is if Nokia will win much of this deal... Probadly not. In case of W8 tablets Nokia is probadly already loosing comming battle. Cause there will come atleast 20 different tablets runing W8 Q4.

So still Nokia is doomed...

We could onkly hope that Jolla is Nokoia planB..... Probadly not but...

Last edited by mikecomputing; 2012-07-20 at 17:53.

Cue	2012-07-20 , 18:19
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Cheve says what I meant. You have begun to piss on NOKIA since Elop came on board and got rid of dying platforms. Taliban phones was meant in jest= phones that nobody wants but most primitive people. And yes, I do think that there is much more Xenophobia in Europe than in the US.

Nope, I began to "piss on Nokia", if you can even call it that, since they started making bad choices. Even step 4/5 and Meego. I even understand why they made these choices but I'm not about to cloud my own judgement and pretend they are a success now, clearly the facts show their choices are not helping.It has nothing to do with anybody hating "Americanism". That's just your own "projection bias" rearing its head.

gerbick	2012-07-20 , 18:22
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Cheve says what I meant. You have begun to piss on NOKIA since Elop came on board and got rid of dying platforms. Taliban phones was meant in jest= phones that nobody wants but most primitive people. And yes, I do think that there is much more Xenophobia in Europe than in the US.

I'm an American. And xenophobia is not exclusive to Europe.

The whole "piss on Nokia" is because Nokia has pissed on itself.

switch-hitter	2012-07-20 , 18:27
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

WP is gaining traction. Lumia 800 is a great phone, much better than any symbian or meego product

The market clearly disagrees, NOKIA has lost hundreds of millions of sales since deprecating Symbian and even now, despite all the damage Elop has done to Symbian, despite the fact carriers in NOKIA's major markets no longer offer Symbian devices on contract or PAYG and despite an enormous marketing campaign lavished on Lumias which NOKIA, M$ and AT&T have all contributed huge sums of money to, NOKIA's Symbian phones continue to outsell their WP7 phones.

That tells us more about WP7 than it does about Symbian. The decline for Symbian was inevitable, carriers and retailers were never going to continue marketing Symbian handsets after they had been announced obsolete by NOKIA's own CEO, but what's the excuse for WP7?

Why haven't the Lumias more than compensated for the decline in Symbian? They've had better hardware than Symbian ever enjoyed, they certainly have a much more stylish design than any Symbian phone we've ever seen, there's been no expense spared in the marketing and yet the sales figures are absolutely pitiful.

As you rightly say the Lumia 800 is a great phone, which suggests the reason it doesn't sell is because it desperately needs a great OS to do it justice - Symbian? Android? MeeGo? Probably even Series 40 with swipe would sell better on the Lumias than WP7 does.

It's clear to anyone WP7 is the problem, even Samsung, who currently have the Midas touch, couldn't make it sell. Neither could HTC, neither could LG.

I hope for NOKIA's sake M$ can get WP8 nearer to the calibre of Android, Symbian and MeeGo or else NOKIA are doomed.

If I were currently part of NOKIA's in house design team I would recruit a few of my colleagues to secretly test out Android, Open webOS, Firefox OS and Tizen on each and every handset in the range in preperation for the awakening - the moment the board suddenly come out of their stupor, regain their senses and realise what a horrendous hole Elop's dug NOKIA into.

The reason NOKIA's Q2 performance wasn't as bad as anticipated was largely due to the feature phone division holding up better than expected but we know in the last few weeks Elop has got rid of the manager there, he's also discontinued Meltemi and so damaged their future prospects too. Looks like he's intent on working his magic in that division too.

As for the cash holding up better than expected did anyone check the creditors and creditor days figures? Maybe they just delayed paying their major suppliers until after the end of the accounting period knowing their cash position would be more likely to make the headlines.

	volt	2012-07-20 , 18:56
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Although I don't believe for a second Elop is a "trojan", I don't think I could have told the difference if he was. I don't think so because it's an unlikely story and, well, the board still keeps him around.

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switch-hitter	2012-07-20 , 20:25
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Hate of Americanism? Hate of European impotence to produce hi tech mobile product? The hate is myopic and without any vision.

Here's an interesting article about the man who designed the iMac, iPod, iPhone and the iPad.

You may want to pay particular attention to his nationality: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-the-core.html

You were saying?

Rauha	2012-07-20 , 20:35
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Have some mercy on the troll. It's already so fat. Stop feeding it.

	volt	2012-07-20 , 20:48
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Maybe if we feed it enough it'll blow up.

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Lumiaman	2012-07-20 , 23:17
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

Here's an interesting article about the man who designed the iMac, iPod, iPhone and the iPad.

You may want to pay particular attention to his nationality: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-the-core.html

You were saying?

And your point is?

Lumiaman	2012-07-20 , 23:18
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

The market clearly disagrees, NOKIA has lost hundreds of millions of sales since deprecating Symbian and even now, despite all the damage Elop has done to Symbian, despite the fact carriers in NOKIA's major markets no longer offer Symbian devices on contract or PAYG and despite an enormous marketing campaign lavished on Lumias which NOKIA, M$ and AT&T have all contributed huge sums of money to, NOKIA's Symbian phones continue to outsell their WP7 phones.

That tells us more about WP7 than it does about Symbian. The decline for Symbian was inevitable, carriers and retailers were never going to continue marketing Symbian handsets after they had been announced obsolete by NOKIA's own CEO, but what's the excuse for WP7?

Why haven't the Lumias more than compensated for the decline in Symbian? They've had better hardware than Symbian ever enjoyed, they certainly have a much more stylish design than any Symbian phone we've ever seen, there's been no expense spared in the marketing and yet the sales figures are absolutely pitiful.

As you rightly say the Lumia 800 is a great phone, which suggests the reason it doesn't sell is because it desperately needs a great OS to do it justice - Symbian? Android? MeeGo? Probably even Series 40 with swipe would sell better on the Lumias than WP7 does.

It's clear to anyone WP7 is the problem, even Samsung, who currently have the Midas touch, couldn't make it sell. Neither could HTC, neither could LG.

I hope for NOKIA's sake M$ can get WP8 nearer to the calibre of Android, Symbian and MeeGo or else NOKIA are doomed.

If I were currently part of NOKIA's in house design team I would recruit a few of my colleagues to secretly test out Android, Open webOS, Firefox OS and Tizen on each and every handset in the range in preperation for the awakening - the moment the board suddenly come out of their stupor, regain their senses and realise what a horrendous hole Elop's dug NOKIA into.

The reason NOKIA's Q2 performance wasn't as bad as anticipated was largely due to the feature phone division holding up better than expected but we know in the last few weeks Elop has got rid of the manager there, he's also discontinued Meltemi and so damaged their future prospects too. Looks like he's intent on working his magic in that division too.

As for the cash holding up better than expected did anyone check the creditors and creditor days figures? Maybe they just delayed paying their major suppliers until after the end of the accounting period knowing their cash position would be more likely to make the headlines.

Have you used lumia 800 or 900?