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2008-01-07 , 00:36
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#11
I flashed my N810 with charger attached - only plugging it in after the initial bootup and switch holding - was worried but it worked out ok.
 
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2008-01-07 , 00:56
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I wouldn't want to make any assumptions, but Nokia says to disconnect the charger during flashing. Since the charger triggers a software routine in the O/S, I assume that may be because it could interfere with the flashing process.

I think it's likely that the charger does provide power throughout the flashing process if connected, but it's also quite possible that it doesn't, and there's no way to know for sure.
 
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2008-01-07 , 06:37
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Originally Posted by DJames1 View Post
I wouldn't want to make any assumptions, but Nokia says to disconnect the charger during flashing. Since the charger triggers a software routine in the O/S, I assume that may be because it could interfere with the flashing process.

I think it's likely that the charger does provide power throughout the flashing process if connected, but it's also quite possible that it doesn't, and there's no way to know for sure.
Ok, here's the catch: plugging in the charger in a device that is off will turn it on, so you are supposed to have already connected the usb cable and started the flasher program _before_ plugging in the charger.
But, when the charger is plugged in, it will provide power to the device.

If the instructions are stating anything else, please file a bug @ maemo.org, because they are bogus.

Any statement about the battery having to be charged before starting the flashing procedure is relevant only when the charger is not used.
 
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2008-01-07 , 14:36
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Originally Posted by DJames1 View Post
This experience leaves me very, very unhappy with Nokia.
(and I'm only fogiving Mediabox because it's beta software, use at own risk)
While I totally understand your anger, please don't shoot at 3rd party software without being able to provide any evidence. If the installation of the package broke something, then it looks like the fault of a broken package installation. This is generally not the fault of a particular package, but can have many reasons.
 
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2008-01-07 , 14:46
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I don't recall having to reflash the BIOS on my Windows PC when a bit of beta software went wrong. In fact, I've never even had to re-install Windows to fix a problem - and I've used a lot of beta-quality Windows software since Windows 1.0. I've certainly never been concerned that my hardware might need to be sent in for repair. I think it was a design error for the battery charging management routine not to be in ROM firmware. That's why I'm unhappy with Nokia. I don't know what it was about the Mediabox installation that broke it - does it matter?
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2008-01-07 , 14:53
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Originally Posted by igor View Post
If the instructions are stating anything else, please file a bug @ maemo.org, because they are bogus.
Page 1 of the Updater instructions:

"Make sure that the battery is full."

Page 2 of the Updater instructions:

"Make sure the device is switched off, and the charger is disconnected from the device."

There's nothing further about connecting the charger. I would interpret those instructions to mean that it's only safe to reflash on battery power.
 
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2008-01-07 , 15:10
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Originally Posted by DJames1 View Post
I don't recall having to reflash the BIOS on my Windows PC when a bit of beta software went wrong. In fact, I've never even had to re-install Windows to fix a problem - and I've used a lot of beta-quality Windows software since Windows 1.0. I've certainly never been concerned that my hardware might need to be sent in for repair. I think it was a design error for the battery charging management routine not to be in ROM firmware. That's why I'm unhappy with Nokia. I don't know what it was about the Mediabox installation that broke it - does it matter?
You have been lucky... I just had to reinstall Win XP on one computer when end user tried to install Netgear WiFi card drivers from original install CD... of course there was a fatal compatibility issue with the driver and XP SP2 that causes the XP computer to enter into continuous reboot loop. (Not even safe mode or command prompt did work.. Maybe some specific manual editing or registry would have worked but that likely would take more time than reinstall Windows...)

In my experience Windows world is not the ultimate heaven...

(And in case you are asking... I do use Windows computers (XP and Vista) at home and also work PC run on XP... N800 is the only Linux computer I have.)
 
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2008-01-07 , 15:13
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Originally Posted by DJames1 View Post
I don't recall having to reflash the BIOS on my Windows PC when a bit of beta software went wrong. In fact, I've never even had to re-install Windows to fix a problem - and I've used a lot of beta-quality Windows software since Windows 1.0. I've certainly never been concerned that my hardware might need to be sent in for repair. I think it was a design error for the battery charging management routine not to be in ROM firmware. That's why I'm unhappy with Nokia. I don't know what it was about the Mediabox installation that broke it - does it matter?
Well, it matters in that you opened a thread blaming particularly MediaBox in its title for your trouble. I don't think it was this software alone that broke your OS, but I'm definitely interested in the circumstances under which this has happened.
 
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2008-01-07 , 16:04
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(and I'm only fogiving Mediabox because it's beta software, use at own risk)
Originally Posted by Theodore Roosevelt
The only man who makes no mistakes is the man who never does anything.
This humans are horrible, they do mistake!!


I understand the angriness but now you should
-> Direct your email to nokia or anywhere where they come. Nobody from nokia will read here.
-> If there is a bug in a software and you don't want to be hit again by it, then open a bug report maybe?


So... no php file
 
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2008-01-07 , 16:34
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Originally Posted by pycage View Post
Well, it matters in that you opened a thread blaming particularly MediaBox in its title for your trouble. I don't think it was this software alone that broke your OS, but I'm definitely interested in the circumstances under which this has happened.
N800 running OS2007 (latest version, original Nokia installation, never flashed)

Downloaded https://garage.maemo.org/frs/downloa...92.1_armel.deb

1st attempt to install: needs Python 2.5
Installed Python 2.5 runtime from direct link in Application Manager (original version now gone of course, so can't verify exact file version)

2nd attempt to install successful.

Ran Mediabox. Worked successfully, but doesn't seem to auto-detect all the media on my N800. Playback of the default Nokia video is a bit choppy. Quit Mediabox.

Powered off N800.

Next attempt to power on: permanent boot loop.

As I said earlier, I don't mean to blame Mediabox unfairly - I understand what a difficult (and often thankless) job it is trying to develop and debug software like this - but it was most likely the action of installing and running Mediabox (and/or Python 2.5, which I didn't need before Mediabox) that trashed things somehow.
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