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2008-02-24
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Hi FMS:
Thanks for any minute you're able to put on this we really appreciate. As most of the users facing problems are not that linux-savvy it's even harder to get debug info from them.
About the dependencie problems : I (marcelo) totally agree, but once we work on this platform we cannot be aliens : / thus we try to play by the rules, because we don't think we are different from the others, but there's no way to hide the problems, and canola is showing this. I told the guys on the office this week : for me it would be just a big tar.gz file and unpacking it would install it with a wizard (to already configure media folders, safe modes, where to store things etc)
But again... time x work force to do that.. : / Canola is a hobby project here, so while working on it we do need to do "commercial" work to pay the bills , so you get the dimension of the problem : /
Thanks for any minute you're able to put on this we really appreciate. As most of the users facing problems are not that linux-savvy it's even harder to get debug info from them.
About the dependencie problems : I (marcelo) totally agree, but once we work on this platform we cannot be aliens : / thus we try to play by the rules, because we don't think we are different from the others, but there's no way to hide the problems, and canola is showing this. I told the guys on the office this week : for me it would be just a big tar.gz file and unpacking it would install it with a wizard (to already configure media folders, safe modes, where to store things etc)
But again... time x work force to do that.. : / Canola is a hobby project here, so while working on it we do need to do "commercial" work to pay the bills , so you get the dimension of the problem : /
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2008-02-24
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Originally Posted by handful
Miraculously, I managed to install it. From the app manager. Here is what I have done differently:
Thanks for any minute you're able to put on this we really appreciate. As most of the users facing problems are not that linux-savvy it's even harder to get debug info from them.
1. Canola instructions tell you to click on the repository installation button. The repository is quite a common one so most people already have it added. Adding it for the second time will screw up app manager in a non-obvious way.
2. When instructions say "reboot after running Canola cleanup", it is not an option. You should absolutely, definitely reboot, or all kinds of strange things start happening when you try installing Canola again.
for me it would be just a big tar.gz file and unpacking it would install it with a wizard (to already configure media folders, safe modes, where to store things etc)
Canola is a hobby project here, so while working on it we do need to do "commercial" work to pay the bills , so you get the dimension of the problem : /
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2008-02-24
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FMS :
Sorry about that, we develop a lot of tablet apps, and the app instaler is not fine :/ it still has a lot of things to be improved, but I'm not saying it is app manager fault, just saying that it is too easily broken on strange situations. And the dependencie madness was not happening on beta1 (the only problem was the server) I really believe it's a combination of problems on transfer x some little bug.
about the repositories being installed again : we also thought that this could be it : but it's also not reproduceable. And on a virgin device there;s not maemo extras : / And believe not everyone have it, so we cannot "take for granted" that all users have it : /
Br
Marcelo
The app manager is fine. It is the complicated framework of dependencies that is causing problems. These depndencies will cause problems with or without the app manager, I am afraid.
about the repositories being installed again : we also thought that this could be it : but it's also not reproduceable. And on a virgin device there;s not maemo extras : / And believe not everyone have it, so we cannot "take for granted" that all users have it : /
Br
Marcelo
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2008-02-24
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Originally Posted by fms
Yesterday I tried an apt-get update followed by an apt-get upgrade and the second command reported that lightmediascanner0, canloa2 and other libs where held back by the apt infrastructure, so no update.
BTW, when trying to update from Canola2 Beta3 to Beta5 today, Application Manager failed to find the lightmediascanner0 library. After removing Beta3 with Canola-Cleanup, the Application Manager just plain fails to install Beta5, no details given.
An apt-get dist-upgrade solved the issue so I succesfully upgrade everything on my N810.
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2008-02-24
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Just a tip for the other users based on Tim's experience : please, check your internet connection before installing Canola, or at least try installing some small application first to make sure you can download files from the repo. Sometimes we are behind firewalls and while you can browse you will not be able to install files.
Problem was solved for TIM, was connection to the internet limited.
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Marcelo
Problem was solved for TIM, was connection to the internet limited.
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Marcelo
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2008-02-25
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Originally Posted by handful
I believe Handful meant to say that sometimes the user trying to install Canola2 can be behind a firewall (Company, College, University etc) which can stop downloads even though internet access to the outside world appears to be OK to the user.
Sometimes we are behind firewalls and while you can browse you will not be able to install files.
You BET I Stream! 
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2008-02-25
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Actually, Marcelo, this is not true. As I said in my email, there is something about the N810 that does not let me download *anything* at *any* wifi network. I tried downloading Canola (and other apps) on the N810 at home and work but neither place did it work. Then I tried doing the same thing with my N800 and it installed perfectly at home and work. So it's *not* to do with firewalls and networks and routers, otherwise it wouldn't have worked for my N800. I think you misunderstood what was being said in my email.
I now have to work out why my N800 will download and my N810 will not.
But thanks again for your suggestions - however, my quest will continue.
Tim
I now have to work out why my N800 will download and my N810 will not.
But thanks again for your suggestions - however, my quest will continue.
Tim
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2008-02-25
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Originally Posted by timsalmon
Hi Tim, So Canola2 will install perfectly on your N800 but not on your N810 and its the only application that is giving you problems on your N810?
Then I tried doing the same thing with my N800 and it installed perfectly at home and work.
You mention at the start of this thread that you got your N810 around Christmas 2007, during the "repository hell" period. Did you by any chance use any temporary repositories to download Canola2 and/or other applications? (Have you since removed these?)
It does sound like something is generally amiss with your N810, have you really updated to latest version of OS2008 for the N810. I would be tempted to do consider starting afresh again on your N810, I also would not use the backup facility unless its absolutely necessary. (This way you will have a clean device to install Canola and your other favorite applications) Note: You imply you have done this and then the only other thing you did was try to install Canola2 from the website following the instructions?
Last edited by MikeL; 2008-02-25 at 08:56.
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2008-02-25
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Hello Mike
No - nothing will download to the N810 and everything will download to the N800. Tested from two wifi sources. The other day I used NSU to upgrade the N810 to the latest version, because I could not get stuff downloading - I thought this may fix it. I could try again, I suppose - if NSU will let me. I did not use backup and restore when I did this, so did start afresh with a clean N810. I have tried installing Canola from the website too.
What a mystery!
Tim
No - nothing will download to the N810 and everything will download to the N800. Tested from two wifi sources. The other day I used NSU to upgrade the N810 to the latest version, because I could not get stuff downloading - I thought this may fix it. I could try again, I suppose - if NSU will let me. I did not use backup and restore when I did this, so did start afresh with a clean N810. I have tried installing Canola from the website too.
What a mystery!
Tim
As to reusing external stuff being the whole point of Linux, it has also been a weak point of Linux for a very long time. Aside from the DLL-hell issue, you simply can't expect scores of packages from unrelated people to work together flawlessly. It won't happen. Never does. That's exactly why more conservative BSD-based systems have "correct" versions of all the important bits (libraries, includes, PERL, etc.) installed somewhere safe in the system, as part of the core distribution, and never changed.