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2009-11-21
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#12
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Originally Posted by ArnimS
I agree with ArnimS here. Anybody who wants fast, playable emulators should stay away from N900. Actually, you should probably go and buy that Droid phone like right now. According to the poster who started this thread, it is perfect for emulation, and the Android is the best software you can have on a smartphone nowadays.
In the case of N900 jury is still out on the hardware, but we have neither video nor audio support meeting emulator criteria in maemo 5 as it ships.
PS: Once you follow my advice, please abstain from starting another "So, I bought a Droid" thread. Ok?
PPS: Hehe
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2009-11-21
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#13
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Originally Posted by fms
I am not sure if this post is meant to be sarcastic but there are already a number of well running emulators for the N900 (as shown in my first reply). They run at a perfectly acceptable frame rate, with sound etc.
I agree with ArnimS here. Anybody who wants fast, playable emulators should stay away from N900. Actually, you should probably go and buy that Droid phone like right now. According to the poster who started this thread, it is perfect for emulation, and the Android is the best software you can have on a smartphone nowadays.
PS: Once you follow my advice, please abstain from starting another "So, I bought a Droid" thread. Ok?
PPS: Hehe
Of course if that doesnt strike your fancy you could always just run the full version of Quake III on it.
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2009-11-21
, 14:02
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@ Italy
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#14
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Why are there so many people who act like asses just because they develop something?
Arrogance doesn't help.
Then, why do we need 60fps??? 30fps is just enough for fluid animation. I don't know much about emulation stuff but i am quite sure that the n900 is powerful enough to emulate 90s consoles. Considering the nes(the only platform that i know a little) we have roughly ~100 CPU cycles to emulate a single nes instruction.
Arrogance doesn't help.
Then, why do we need 60fps??? 30fps is just enough for fluid animation. I don't know much about emulation stuff but i am quite sure that the n900 is powerful enough to emulate 90s consoles. Considering the nes(the only platform that i know a little) we have roughly ~100 CPU cycles to emulate a single nes instruction.
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2009-11-21
, 14:15
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#15
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Java really isn't as slow as many would make you believe.
http://kano.net/javabench/
http://www.idiom.com/~zilla/Computer...benchmark.html
Certain operations can be slightly faster, whilst others are upto 10% slower. So for many consoles e.g. Snes, Genesis, GBA you should be able to get away with Java.
The G1 managed to emulate the three consoles above rather well.
http://kano.net/javabench/
http://www.idiom.com/~zilla/Computer...benchmark.html
Certain operations can be slightly faster, whilst others are upto 10% slower. So for many consoles e.g. Snes, Genesis, GBA you should be able to get away with Java.
The G1 managed to emulate the three consoles above rather well.
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2009-11-21
, 14:32
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@ Germany
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#16
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Originally Posted by fms
FMS (who knows more about emus than everyone else here) you *do* agree with me, but not in this sarcastic way, because i didnt imply or say what you inferred.
I agree with ArnimS here. Anybody who wants fast, playable emulators should stay away from N900. Actually, you should probably go and buy that Droid phone like right now. According to the poster who started this thread, it is perfect for emulation, and the Android is the best software you can have on a smartphone nowadays.
PS: Once you follow my advice, please abstain from starting another "So, I bought a Droid" thread. Ok?
PPS: Hehe
You know perfectly well that for years I have been requesting from nokia tablets basic video output at a 1989 level of computer performance. mmk.
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To call the N900 *fast* for emulators at this point when you know we have nasty bottlenecks in both video and audio is misleading.
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Zwe can fix N900! Please dont buy an android-only device. It is like buying diapers for yourself and wearing them in public while bragging that you can no longer soil the furniture..
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2009-11-21
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@ Barcelona
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Note that people MOSTLY don't know what 60fps / playable is.
They say to me "SNES is fully playable on GP2X!" -- so I get to find a GP2X and Mario Kart runs at 7fps.
"OK, but it now runs very fast in the Wiz" -- so I get to find a Wiz and Mario Kart runs at 14fps.
"OK, but on the Pandora it runs at 4 times real speed" -- I'm still trying to find a Pandora.
Somehow I think the Droid story is similar.
And yes, as I've said already on that crazy emulators thread about the Pandora vs N900, the Droid will be probably faster -- there's no byte code layer, no X11, a simpler userspace, etc. Not as speedier as the Pandora should, though.
Last edited by javispedro; 2009-11-21 at 14:47.
They say to me "SNES is fully playable on GP2X!" -- so I get to find a GP2X and Mario Kart runs at 7fps.
"OK, but it now runs very fast in the Wiz" -- so I get to find a Wiz and Mario Kart runs at 14fps.
"OK, but on the Pandora it runs at 4 times real speed" -- I'm still trying to find a Pandora.
Somehow I think the Droid story is similar.
And yes, as I've said already on that crazy emulators thread about the Pandora vs N900, the Droid will be probably faster -- there's no byte code layer, no X11, a simpler userspace, etc. Not as speedier as the Pandora should, though.
Last edited by javispedro; 2009-11-21 at 14:47.
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2009-11-21
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Yikes!
I simply was pointing out that if Droid can manage good emulation, the N900 should be better, due to not having Android overhead to deal with.
As far as Mario Kart for SNES and GBA, the G1 clocked at 528mhz plays them both at about 40fps with sound. More than adequate for playability. Droid plays them close to 60fps, but the freaking keyboard drives me insane. The alignment of the keys (not staggered) and the top row has only 1/8" of clearance for the display case.
Ironically, the G1's KB is better than Droids. N900 appears to have both the same key alignment and lack of top row clearance that Droid has.
Could be a case of packing a Wii mote with us.
BTW- Droid still runs into performance issues with Neo Geo games. Have to set to skip "2" frames per second for it to play Metal Slug 2 smoothly with sound. It was a slide show on the G1.
Why would N900 not perform better than the 3430 using Android?
Last edited by Rushmore; 2009-11-21 at 15:38.
I simply was pointing out that if Droid can manage good emulation, the N900 should be better, due to not having Android overhead to deal with.
As far as Mario Kart for SNES and GBA, the G1 clocked at 528mhz plays them both at about 40fps with sound. More than adequate for playability. Droid plays them close to 60fps, but the freaking keyboard drives me insane. The alignment of the keys (not staggered) and the top row has only 1/8" of clearance for the display case.
Ironically, the G1's KB is better than Droids. N900 appears to have both the same key alignment and lack of top row clearance that Droid has.
Could be a case of packing a Wii mote with us
.BTW- Droid still runs into performance issues with Neo Geo games. Have to set to skip "2" frames per second for it to play Metal Slug 2 smoothly with sound. It was a slide show on the G1.
Why would N900 not perform better than the 3430 using Android?
Last edited by Rushmore; 2009-11-21 at 15:38.
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2009-11-21
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#19
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Originally Posted by ArnimS
Doesn't help when Texas Instruments still haven't released or open sourced the 3D/video driver in the n800/n810. Wonder what Mer performance will be like once it's actually used.
FMS (who knows more about emus than everyone else here) you *do* agree with me, but not in this sarcastic way, because i didnt imply or say what you inferred.
You know perfectly well that for years I have been requesting from nokia tablets basic video output at a 1989 level of computer performance. mmk.
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2009-11-21
, 15:37
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#20
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Originally Posted by Bratag
That about says it all right there
Of course if that doesnt strike your fancy you could always just run the full version of Quake III on it.
nice to meet you. I have been working with others to get fast emulators to tablets since the 770.
To get a fast emu onto a device you have to
a) push 50-60 fps scaled blits vsynched to screen at low cpu cost
b) output stutter-free stereo sound at 22khz or better at low cpu cost.
In the case of 770, N800, N810 the former turned out to be not possible.
In the case of N900 jury is still out on the hardware, but we have neither video nor audio support meeting emulator criteria in maemo 5 as it ships.