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2010-01-01
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#12
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Emulating an entire operating system on a mobile device to playback legitimately purchased audio is hardly a tenable solution.
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/
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2010-01-03
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If it is "hardly tenable," why does it work on the N800 and N810?
Your ideology appears to make you unable to judge the facts at hand. You appear to be saying that it is impossible to do what has already been done.
Last edited by geneven; 2010-01-03 at 08:11.
Your ideology appears to make you unable to judge the facts at hand. You appear to be saying that it is impossible to do what has already been done.
Last edited by geneven; 2010-01-03 at 08:11.
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2010-01-18
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Does anyone have anything new on N900 and Audible.com files?
I called Audible.com today and they are getting requests, but nothing from them yet...
I called Audible.com today and they are getting requests, but nothing from them yet...
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2010-01-18
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Originally Posted by geneven
Wasn't trying to say it didn't work. Just trying to point out how ridiculous it is to emulate an entirely different OS/Platform to play a media file that you have legitimately purchased.
If it is "hardly tenable," why does it work on the N800 and N810?
Your ideology appears to make you unable to judge the facts at hand. You appear to be saying that it is impossible to do what has already been done.
Emulating systems for games is cumbersome enough, but is reasonably necessary because the content includes actual code/logic specific to a given platform to make the interactivity work.
There is no legitimate reason that an audio file should ever be locked to a specific platform, it's a series of data points in time, and nothing more. An audio file is essentially 2 line graphs.
The only reason an audio file is ever platform specific is because the vendor you received it from sees all their *paying* customers as potential criminals.
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2010-01-18
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Originally Posted by 40love
For a while now it has been up to the device manufacturer to write the Audible Client through the AudibleReady programme. Audible supplies code for a basic client which can then be tailored to suit the device. There are agreements over code confidentiality and cross marketing to be signed so it has to be done at the corporate level.
Does anyone have anything new on N900 and Audible.com files?
I called Audible.com today and they are getting requests, but nothing from them yet...
The upshot of this is that we should really be bugging Nokia rather than Audible. I started a thread about this a while ago but it didn't get any traction.
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2010-01-18
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But there must be some reason why it worked for the N800 and N810 and doesn't for the N900. It's the same emulation. I think we should bug people here -- why isn't it working? Can someone come up with a reason? There is a reason, I guarantee it. It's not because N900 is a higher number than N810. Emulation basically works on the N900. Why not Audible?
Discussion about the philosophy involved is just a copout. Does anyone in this learned community know, or is anyone willing to investigate? It would cost nothing to try out the programs involved.
Discussion about the philosophy involved is just a copout. Does anyone in this learned community know, or is anyone willing to investigate? It would cost nothing to try out the programs involved.
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2010-01-18
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Originally Posted by geneven
One possible reason it doesn't work on the N900 is that the Garnet VM doesn't work on the N900--it appears to work most of the time, but it does crash on other apps and some apps won't even install (e.g. MegaClock). Garnet VM is not officially supported on anything later than OS2008. So this is perhaps not an Audible issue at all, just a Garnet VM issue.
But there must be some reason why it worked for the N800 and N810 and doesn't for the N900. It's the same emulation. I think we should bug people here -- why isn't it working? Can someone come up with a reason? There is a reason, I guarantee it. It's not because N900 is a higher number than N810. Emulation basically works on the N900. Why not Audible?
Discussion about the philosophy involved is just a copout. Does anyone in this learned community know, or is anyone willing to investigate? It would cost nothing to try out the programs involved.
And I do agree with go1dfish--emulating an entirely different platform just to play a media file format is not the "right" long-term solution. But if it's all we have, it's what we do. I'm running ToastTimer under Garnet VM and thankfully it works fine.
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2010-01-21
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Thanks for the reply, bgrigor!
Well, maybe Garnet will support the N900. I know I personally found Audible totally unhelpful and somewhat mendacious when discussing problems like this with them. They either profess interest or total incomprehension that anyone runs anything Linux-like, but in either case they end up doing virtually nothing. I was their enthusiastic customer for about six years, but I'm surprised they are still in business. I did run across a couple of well-informed, nice people at Audible, but they were in the minority by a long shot. **
**Besides, they completely ignored my job applications!
Well, maybe Garnet will support the N900. I know I personally found Audible totally unhelpful and somewhat mendacious when discussing problems like this with them. They either profess interest or total incomprehension that anyone runs anything Linux-like, but in either case they end up doing virtually nothing. I was their enthusiastic customer for about six years, but I'm surprised they are still in business. I did run across a couple of well-informed, nice people at Audible, but they were in the minority by a long shot. **
**Besides, they completely ignored my job applications!
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2011-01-31
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AudibleAir is failing for me: 
"No Deserializer found to deserialize a ':UserId' using encoding style 'http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/'.
"No Deserializer found to deserialize a ':UserId' using encoding style 'http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/'.
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* n810 since Feb 2009
* Most-used apps: Opera, gPodder, Panucci, Tomiku, Canola, Quasar, MaemoMapper, ATI85, Maemopad+, AisleRiot Solitaire, Anagramarama, Rapier, Gnumeric, pyRDesktop
* Mobile-friendly URLs of popular sites
* n810 since Feb 2009
* Most-used apps: Opera, gPodder, Panucci, Tomiku, Canola, Quasar, MaemoMapper, ATI85, Maemopad+, AisleRiot Solitaire, Anagramarama, Rapier, Gnumeric, pyRDesktop
* Mobile-friendly URLs of popular sites
It does seem so close indeed. I first tried installing the simple Audible player, but it always crashed after installing. I just tried installing the Audible Air version from http://download.audible.com/audibleair/otaman.htm , and it installed fine. (I had to exit after installing, so that the icon in the Garnet window is changed from that of the installer to the icon for the Audible player. When I launched the VM for the second time I saw the Audible player icon.)
As geneven said, Audible opens fine, but when I tried to play the free sample, the VM crashed.
Last edited by DojwqIO; 2010-01-01 at 07:16.