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Would it even be possible to re-start Tableteer (Tableteer 2.0) in a way like....
1) The news/updates are defined and created by the community,
2) Nokia makes one update (through Nokia Software or Nokia System Software Updates) through their original repo (which I believe is an active repo for all(?) users),
3) That optional (you can accept or deny) update repurposes the Tableteer app to now be a community sourced and hosted source of news and updates. I mean, it's not as if Nokia is ever going to touch OS2008.
(And yes, a very 'airy' and fluffy concept/proposal ).
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1) The news/updates are defined and created by the community,
2) Nokia makes one update (through Nokia Software or Nokia System Software Updates) through their original repo (which I believe is an active repo for all(?) users),
3) That optional (you can accept or deny) update repurposes the Tableteer app to now be a community sourced and hosted source of news and updates. I mean, it's not as if Nokia is ever going to touch OS2008.
(And yes, a very 'airy' and fluffy concept/proposal ).
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Originally Posted by silvermountain
Has that gadget even been open-sourced up? Not that it matters--just curious as to how open-source dedicated Nokia was.
Would it even be possible to re-start Tableteer (Tableteer 2.0) in a way like....
1) The news/updates are defined and created by the community,
2) Nokia makes one update (through Nokia Software or Nokia System Software Updates) through their original repo (which I believe is an active repo for all(?) users),
3) That optional (you can accept or deny) update repurposes the Tableteer app to now be a community sourced and hosted source of news and updates.
(And yes, a very 'airy' and fluffy concept/proposal ).
Anyway, if someone wrote some desktop gadget and simply marked it as a newer version of Tableteer, it'd get installed as an upgrade anyway, given the way apt system works. I would HIGHLY recommend that, yeah. Especially since Tableteer is useless now.
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2010-05-13
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Originally Posted by danramos
I'd install it
Has that gadget even been open-sourced up? Not that it matters--just curious as to how open-source dedicated Nokia was.
Anyway, if someone wrote some desktop gadget and simply marked it as a newer version of Tableteer, it'd get installed as an upgrade anyway, given the way apt system works. I would HIGHLY recommend that, yeah. Especially since Tableteer is useless now.
Not to sound like a total secessionist but with the way tmo is structured and the very unlikely event of seeing it re-structured there are some people (gosh, sounds so cloak and dagger...) that have been pondering creating a completely separate site for OS2006,7 and 8 devices.
One of the noted downsides has been the apparent ties to developers crossing multiple platforms, the tmo database with old posts - and simply that many people own a legacy device AND an N900.
Something like a Tableteer 2.0 tool could be the tool to tie the two communities together. The casual user could get updates from both sites and the die-hard legacy users could find a new home on the still-not-there-yet site.
But regardless of one or two sites (totally different discussion anyway) - I would love something like a Tableteer 2.0.
Again, 30,000 feet thinking - and I use the word 'thinking' rather freely here.
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I suggested that MWKN should be posted here and Texrat responded that it WAS being posted here, so that solved the problem.
It all depends on what you mean by here, as Bill Clinton might say.
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It all depends on what you mean by here, as Bill Clinton might say.
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Originally Posted by geneven
Yeah, just pointing out that it's already hard enough for people to even know talk.maemo.org exists (as shocked as you might be), the MWKN is even less obvious to owners who're wondering why their still-relatively-new devices (N800 all the way to N810WE) aren't seeing any new updates/support at ALL from Nokia. At least they could see there's COMMUNITY support through a Tableteer app advertising it (rather than the defunct ads it's currently showing).
I suggested that MWKN should be posted here and Texrat responded that it WAS being posted here, so that solved the problem.
It all depends on what you mean by here, as Bill Clinton might say.
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2010-05-18
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So.... who has the ability to communicate with Nokia's repo managers to see if something like that is even going to be okayed? Any idea of Tableteer has been opened?
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2010-05-18
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Originally Posted by danramos
When an article is stickied at the top of a major forum section, sent out on email lists and shows up prominently on the maemo.org News page I fail to see how that's buried.
If it's buried in the forums or in a news site that has a TON of N900, Meego and generic Maemo, news you're not helping them find it. You're not even helping them know that there is a community out there to STILL support their Nokia-neglected products..
People can be either passive or assertive in how they approach information. I really don't know what we can do to help anyone who won't take a little time to periodically check obvious sources for updates... but suggestions are of course certainly welcome.
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2010-05-18
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Not to mention visiting mwkn.net, or the RSS feed...
When an article is stickied at the top of a major forum section, sent out on email lists and shows up prominently on the maemo.org News page I fail to see how that's buried.
People can be either passive or assertive in how they approach information. I really don't know what we can do to help anyone who won't take a little time to periodically check obvious sources for updates... but suggestions are of course certainly welcome.
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As to the root issue (advertising community SSU to comparatively passive N8x0 users), the original hope when we first floated the idea of a community SSU would be that Nokia would ship an update which enabled the repo, installed the trust keys and package domains and then users would start getting updates from the community.
If someone isn't actively following maemo.org, there's nothing we can do (those of us here) to get users to install a packge to enable community SSU. Unfortunately, the only people who can do that are Nokia's Diablo team...
If someone isn't actively following maemo.org, there's nothing we can do (those of us here) to get users to install a packge to enable community SSU. Unfortunately, the only people who can do that are Nokia's Diablo team...
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But yes, something like that with selected news/updates (even for our legacy devices) would go a long way to keeping them alive.
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