Originally Posted by Lumiaman

http://brandirectory.com/league_tabl...lobal-500-2012

Sad day for Nokia, ranked in the top 20 last year, it's fallen off the list completely!!!! Symbian killed it.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

http://brandirectory.com/league_tabl...lobal-500-2012

Sad day for Nokia, ranked in the top 20 last year, it's fallen off the list completely!!!! Symbian killed it.

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

Elop closed the Symbian Foundation in November 2010, 'leaked' the burning platform memo on 8th February 2011 and publicly declared Symbian obsolete on 11th February 2011 despite having nothing viable to replace it with.

By the end of 2011 NOKIA's 'brand value' has plummeted and you think Symbian is to blame

Before Elop destroyed Symbian's marketability the handset division had never made a loss EVER - at that time NOKIA's real problem was NSN.


Click on the NOKIA link on that page and read what it says. Let me quote:

"In 2010, Nokia saw volume and value growth in the global mobile device market driven by rapid growth in converged mobile devices. At the same time, the competitive environment in mobile devices intensified, adversely impacting its competitive position in the market. Our device volumes were also adversely affected in the second half of 2010 by shortages of certain components.

However, in the second quarter of 2011 (Q2/2011), Nokia saw a decrease in operating profit of 59.3% to €391 million compared to €660 million in the second quarter of 2010 (Q2/2010). At the same time, net sales decreased from €10 billion in Q2/2010 to €9.3 billion in Q2/2011.This can be related to the 20% drop in mobile device sales from 111 million units in Q2/2010 to 88.5 million units in Q2/2011."

See how that timeline works?

Prior to Elop's act of incompetence / sabotage NOKIA had "volume and value growth in the global mobile device market driven by rapid growth in converged mobile devices"

After Elop's act of incompetence / sabotage NOKIA had a "20% drop in mobile device sales from 111 million units in Q2/2010 to 88.5 million units in Q2/2011"

If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Nothing to do with Elop. People who buy phones dont read what we read. They see the following: N8 Dinosaur OS, or Fluid and rich iphone or Android. Guess what they will chose. Got nothing to do with Elop. this is all pre-Elop inertia.

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

Your logic reminds me of the story about a boy who trained a spider - when he told it to go left it went left, when he told it to go right it went right. He then pulled all the spiders legs off and found that it no longer obeyed his commands, when he told it to go left it didn't move, when he told it to go right it didn't move. He concluded from this pulling a spider's legs off makes them go deaf.

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

NOKIA's customers are the carriers and large retailers, absolutely they know the score.

Let me remind you again, iPhone was released in 2007, Symbian comprehensively outsold it in every single quarter thereafter right up until Elop made the carriers/retailers drop it like a hot potato. That's a verifiable fact, look it up.

Where is your evidence that Symbian's collapse was just about to happen irrespective of Elop?
Did you read the page you yourself linked to?
NOKIA's sales of Symbian devices were increasing and they stated they could have shipped even more in the latter half of 2010 if it weren't for component shortages.

You love to keep making comparisons to the iPhone but in fact the average sales price of a Symbian device at Q4 2010 was around EUR 155-

It wasn't NOKIA's plan that Symbian would compete at the EUR 650- price level, that was the market MeeGo was to be aimed at.

When I became frustrated with my iPhone's many limitations and went back to Symbian my unlocked 5800 xm cost < 40% of the cost of my carrier locked iPhone.

The N8 was a great phone, photographers and techies would undoubtedly choose it above the iPhone, Joe Schmoe maybe not so much. Of course the N8 was only one Symbian device amongst a portfolio of many in many different formats.

Your logic reminds me of the story about a boy who trained a spider - when he told it to go left it went left, when he told it to go right it went right. He then pulled all the spiders legs off and found that it no longer obeyed his commands, when he told it to go left it didn't move, when he told it to go right it didn't move. He concluded from this pulling a spider's legs off makes them go deaf.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Nothing to do with Elop. People who buy phones dont read what we read. They see the following: N8 Dinosaur OS, or Fluid and rich iphone or Android. Guess what they will chose. Got nothing to do with Elop. this is all pre-Elop inertia.