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2015-06-03
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Originally Posted by chemist
That assumes that
you could just ask the moderator of the subsection to be more transparent...
- You know where to look to find out who the moderator is (Folks, it is at the bottom of the forum sub-section page, the place that would an average user never occurred to look. For example, the sub-section we are currently in has these moderators: chemist, HtheB, edgar2, thedead1440, jalyst);
- There is only one moderator or it is quite straight-forward to figure out which one of the 5 it was; and
- The moderator in question is cooperative.
Or you could publish the logs as per szopin's example and avoid the drama.
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2015-06-03
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Can mods see who voted and how?
Can mods editing Votes?
Can mods edit polls?
I fear that mods tracking my every move, keystroke and sending it to NSA.
I don't dare to vote in this pull until this is established.
Can mods editing Votes?
Can mods edit polls?
I fear that mods tracking my every move, keystroke and sending it to NSA.
I don't dare to vote in this pull until this is established.
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2015-06-03
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@chemist
On phone so can't do proper (deep)search, will give the duck another go from home, only thing I found was thread from 2002 about vbulletin mod log. Worst case will just reuse existing mod log adding simple s/mod-name/iddqd to a page that is publicly viewable (with robots.txt to prevent search engines from indexing), though idea of refreshing my memory of php is ***(was that a word, or just asterisks). Still I think this idea fits the theme here, and if ideological argument is not enough it also has practical benefits - no mod drama
btw if dave deletes his post, his reason entered is untransparent for most here, so kinda sucks (same for deleted threads), not sure if this is really that good
and yeah, ssl/https +1, even if free self generated cert, you can post it on twitter/announcement/email to active users
On phone so can't do proper (deep)search, will give the duck another go from home, only thing I found was thread from 2002 about vbulletin mod log. Worst case will just reuse existing mod log adding simple s/mod-name/iddqd to a page that is publicly viewable (with robots.txt to prevent search engines from indexing), though idea of refreshing my memory of php is ***(was that a word, or just asterisks). Still I think this idea fits the theme here, and if ideological argument is not enough it also has practical benefits - no mod drama
btw if dave deletes his post, his reason entered is untransparent for most here, so kinda sucks (same for deleted threads), not sure if this is really that good
and yeah, ssl/https +1, even if free self generated cert, you can post it on twitter/announcement/email to active users
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2015-06-03
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Originally Posted by szopin
I didn't know people knew about 8chan here on TMO, nice.
Ok, couple of examples, so it is easier to discuss (didn't think this was such a new/little known idea):
https://8ch.net/log.php?board=n
https://modlog.github.io/#/r/conspiracy
The amount of detail is up for discussion, sure you will not repost child porn to logs, call the police, report IP etc, still a note should be left in logs. Mask IPs by randomly generated ids, or just use account names, mods can be masked to (mod1/mod2...) so people can see when modx goes on a rampage and can complain, admin will know who that is. Plenty of options to consider and not relying on mod remembering to add a note (which is not possible for deleted posts/threads btw)
(and the idea of reposting non-illegal content that was removed to a place like irclogs is good, keeps the thread going (how many OT rants gone missing?), stops link farming as not main site/not a clickable link with markup etc, illegal, sure delete, just leave trace of action taken
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2015-06-04
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Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL
On one hand agree (modlogs was uninterpretable idea until examples given), on the other, infinitechan is the last forum where they actually keep up the original internet ideas: as long as it is not illegal, you are free to exchange your ideas with others with no censorship (the cripple who owns it actually cares about the free speech and all, the last bastion with slashdots/reddits and else becoming 'safe spaces' for ads and malware, seriously a joke that so little know about this really)
I didn't know people knew about 8chan here on TMO, nice.
It's like Stallman, we thought about this 10 years ago and came up with emacs solution, why change a thing (btw, for all stallman haters, he did change: http://www.networkworld.com/article/...-and-more.html)
Can TMO join the present times?
this is our open source, transparency jesus that is up to date in problems we face believe it or not, go ahead post stallman eating foot, not even close
Last edited by szopin; 2015-06-04 at 00:30. Reason: missing bracket and picture of hotwheels, the most hated admin in the world for allowing free speech, and a bit of typo/rewording, no mods involved for all i know
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2015-06-04
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Originally Posted by szopin
Love that.
Last edited by szopin; Today at 02:30. Reason: missing bracket and picture of hotwheels, the most hated admin in the world for allowing free speech, and a bit of typo/rewording, no mods involved for all i know
/grabs popcorn/
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2015-06-04
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Originally Posted by Win7Mac
Just google hotwheels, the man might suffer from painful as hell disease (he might also post eugenics article on stormfrontesque website, but he speaks about his daily pain and no other website would agree for such a publication, I disagree with him strongly, he is like hawking in this regard, but he has the right to hate his life as much as he does, no fixing that), please tell me how the only bastion of openness and free speech remains unknown to the visitors of this forum?
Love that.
/grabs popcorn/
And just in case you want to bring easy argument: free speech is as long free as it doesn't touch you
Last edited by szopin; 2015-06-04 at 00:55. Reason: hotwheels rocks
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2015-06-04
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Originally Posted by szopin
Because this forum is about maemo in the first place I guess. Openness is an attitude we all like to propagate if there's a chance, but if that's what you're really after, you may want to register at http://www.transparency.org/.
please tell me how the only bastion of openness and free speech remains unknown to the visitors of this forum?
But I also do like to know why my posts got deleted/removed though, in case that happens, my sympathy for that.
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2015-06-04
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That's the whole point, we are all for openness and transparency here, but it seems like the mods/admins aren't really that interested. Are those virtues not part of FOSS community, or is the fact of applying them to ourselves after we've called each and every company/corp on those out problematic? Introspection time?
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However, the #1 priority should be HTTPS - I was shocked that it wasn't supported when I joined the forum about a year ago. Not supporting https is way more of a privacy issue than the chance of moderators being malicious - didn't the hack on ubuntuforums start with stolen moderator credentials? If moderator actions are performed over HTTP, then this a foreseeable risk.
A cert costs all of about £5/yr...