Originally Posted by woody14619

I do get why people are upset about it, and agree we should try to make it clear to Nokia that it was a poor choice, and should not be repeated. But griping on a forum they don't monitor won't change their behavior. If you want to make a point, organize a letter writing campaign or setup a date/time for everyone to call their support like to complain about it en-mass. They need something big and explosive to see how big of an issue this is, not bits on a drive on a server they don't even remember they own.

Originally Posted by woody14619

I do get why people are upset about it, and agree we should try to make it clear to Nokia that it was a poor choice, and should not be repeated. But griping on a forum they don't monitor won't change their behavior. If you want to make a point, organize a letter writing campaign or setup a date/time for everyone to call their support like to complain about it en-mass. They need something big and explosive to see how big of an issue this is, not bits on a drive on a server they don't even remember they own.

All this fuss over a number. You do realize that every time your phone gets/makes a call, or an sms, or even an alert back that it's on, the phone and/or the tower you're talking to transmits that number in the clear, yes? All one needs is a radio packet sniffer and about 10 minutes to collect all this information from every phone that's on and within transmission distance. Your number is transmitted and stored all over the place in the clear, it's not a national security secret.

This whole uproar reminds me of how people were upset when they discovered some web sites would "store" passwords in clear text files. At one point I saw someone say they wouldn't use the web server side of a file share, and would only use the ftp site until the "bug" was fixed. Completely not realizing that FTP transmits their username and password in clear text to the server (always has, still does)...

Originally Posted by geneven

One example: the AP News Installer.

Originally Posted by woody14619

I monitor all my installs (and fs usage), and can tell you there are no apps (outside the initial set) that I didn't install myself. I have about 40 apps showing in the app manager uninstall list, and to the one I've asked for each one to be installed. If you're seeing something being installed on your device that you didn't ask for, then something you've put on it is causing this behavior. It's not part of the base image from Nokia or Maemo. If it were, everyone would be seeing it.

Originally Posted by Nathraiben

Just because my banking number is visible every time I pay with my card I still don't want it to be broadcast on our local radio station...

Originally Posted by woody14619

And it's this type of false analogy that I find disturbing. They're not "broadcasting" it at all. How is using it as your default login account name "broadcasting" anything?

Most banks, when you first setup your on-line account, ask for the account number, and other identifying information in order to setup your account. How is that any different at all than this? Answer: It's not. In fact, it's not just similar, it's almost identical. And most make this interface public, where you can log in and setup your online account, as can anyone with that information, just like MyNokia.

All of your arguments here are assuming a lot of things: That the database where the information is being stored isn't encrypted or firewalled, that there's no hashing going on, and/or that they're in some way "broadcasting" all their usernames (and thus your phone number) out to the masses. They're probably storing that data just like most other services, behind some type of firewall, using SSL to get the name and password, and comparing it in a safe way.

Yes, it was wrong of them to take the info without asking. But saying that they're "broadcasting" the information, or making it publicly available when they clearly are not is just flame bating, and helps nothing.

Originally Posted by YoDude

Yeeesh... What part of the councils request for an explanation about the forced MyNokia subscription in PR1.2, and Nokia's response is about open source?

If we as seasoned members can't keep a thread focused "On Topic" it becomes hypocritically to expect new members to do the same.

Originally Posted by woody14619

Linux doesn't mean it's 100% open, never has, never will. Lots of things use Linux as their base OS, many of which you don't even consider as having an OS (like your home/office security system). It by no means means are you free to browse their code.

Originally Posted by woody14619

So if I run my code through an obfuscator a few times, remove all the comments (or put in misleading ones) and then publish the resulting "code" as opensource, since I published it, it's "open"? Code isn't the only piece in play here. You can say it is all you want, but there's more to it than just publishing code.

Originally Posted by danramos

Actually, Linux does mean 100% open. Anything that is in Linux is open. You can attach non-open to it, you can run non-open in it but Linux is 100% open and that IS the whole point. Distributions based on Linux, not-so-much. Go read the GPL license that comes with it. Go on.

Originally Posted by Nathraiben

But this is NOT the same as registering for my bank, because my bank didn't kidnap me in my sleep to steal my information without me even realising it.

Originally Posted by woody14619

I know the license quite well. You may note that the N900 doesn't run "Linux". It runs Maemo, a distribution based on Linux, which as you yourself noted above does not have to be 100% open source, since it's a derivative work.