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Originally Posted by Cue View Post
Must say, it's pretty pointless adding somebody to your ignore list because you see their reply in other peoples quoted posts. Even highlighted in red. Add to that the fact that almost everyone is talking about speccs posts and it makes it hard to follow the thread.

Seems he called somebody stupid along the way. After talking about personal insults that's hypocrisy at its best.

He has treated the data from the 1 carrier over 1 month as an average for previous ones for the entire nation and despite every effort to tell him about the poor reliability of doing so it seems he will not get the drift. Why he wants to use several bad estimates to try and match another empirical value is beyond me too. Perhaps he thinks the increased margin of error will help his cause.

You will have a hard time knocking any sense in to him. So please stop replying to his posts, it will make this thread easier to follow for others.
You don't really need to analyse this at all. 8% user statistics on Statcounter does not just pop up by itself. Common sense say this has to be caused by a market share much larger than 8% simply because the Lumia has been available for such a short time. This 8% is about 5-6 times larger than Europe at large. For iOS it is the opposite, iOS is cumulating the user base over several years and even with a sharp drop in market share, this will take time to show.

Statcounter is no exact science. There are all kinds of skewed stuff going on. For instance, iOS users use the internet more than S40 users, the counting itself may be wrong and so on. But there is no huge difference between iOS, Android and WP users. And statcounter does not count WP users different i Finland than other places.
 
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When a troll starts using statistics and calling people stupid (you, in-fact), I sometimes like to see what's going on, so I decided to take a look at his numbers, and sure enough, he's an idiot. And sorry, but I'm going to quote this tool one more time:

Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
The market share of WP in Europe is 2-30%
I reported this permanently banned user's "stupid" post and I'm moving on now.
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Apple didnt live up to the expectations for Q2. First time in years, but still a good result. But apple is on the slide. And after that comes android wich still hasent peaked yet. Nokia just need to get new stuff to market. Apple will lose more when windows ans android eating market sharest the comming year.
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Originally Posted by Cue View Post
Must say, it's pretty pointless adding somebody to your ignore list because you see their reply in other peoples quoted posts. Even highlighted in red. Add to that the fact that almost everyone is talking about speccs posts and it makes it hard to follow the thread.

Seems he called somebody stupid along the way. After talking about personal insults that's hypocrisy at its best.

He has treated the data from the 1 carrier over 1 month as an average for previous ones for the entire nation and despite every effort to tell him about the poor reliability of doing so it seems he will not get the drift. Why he wants to use several bad estimates to try and match another empirical value is beyond me too. Perhaps he thinks the increased margin of error will help his cause.

You will have a hard time knocking any sense in to him. So please stop replying to his posts, it will make this thread easier to follow for others.
I'm still not sure why we're all arguing statistics about market share and user base as though that's the whole point of the thread, when the whole point of the thread is about Nokia's stock price. It doesn't take a financial genius to point out that we don't appear to be seeing any kind of winning trends in any respect, in any dimension, for Windows Phone as a whole and far more dire trends for Nokia in particular. I haven't said much in reply because, ultimately, we can just simply sit back and watch the story unfold. Lumiaman/Ericcson/Specc's erection-worthy posts in favor of the switch to Windows Phone platform over the past year haven't born any fruit so far.

Why argue so vehemently? Just let the story unfold. Let's watch the stock values and let's see how much more foolish their grandiloquence will look as time goes on.
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Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
Apple didnt live up to the expectations for Q2. First time in years, but still a good result. But apple is on the slide. And after that comes android wich still hasent peaked yet. Nokia just need to get new stuff to market. Apple will lose more when windows ans android eating market sharest the comming year.
Apple isn't in decline. Users are just waiting for iphone 5.
 
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Why argue so vehemently? Just let the story unfold.
You are right, I'm not sure why. I guess in the end I kind of got fed up of others discussing something only to read "why are you haters" as a reply from him, only for people to discuss further and hear "dispute it then if you got anything". It was like talking to a brick wall. I was trying hard to have a discussion through most of it until the very end where patience ran out. Will not happen again with now that I have an ignore list.


Originally Posted by SamGan View Post
Apple isn't in decline. Users are just waiting for iphone 5.
I think at the same time Apple is feeling the pressure from the SIII. I'm sure there are a lot of people waiting for the iPhone 5. I think that shell leak was no coincidence. It was to generate iPhone 5 buzz and exactly timed for the SIII launch. With any other Apple leak somebody's head would have rolled too, or maybe Tim Cook just doesn't care as much about leaks.
 
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Originally Posted by SamGan View Post
Apple isn't in decline. Users are just waiting for iphone 5.
Not yet, but the snow ball is in motion...But some jumping ship and when Iphone 5 appears they will still lose some market shares. Slowly at first...then faster!

in 4 year, it will be Nokia status. You know where you read it first!
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I guess it's early to determine if the SIII really has any effect, we'll only be able to see that after the Iphone 5 has arrived. But Apple revenues and market shares have been better than I like the last year or two.
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Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
Not yet, but the snow ball is in motion...But some jumping ship and when Iphone 5 appears they will still lose some market shares. Slowly at first...then faster!

in 4 year, it will be Nokia status. You know where you read it first!
Apple just can't resist the urge to do an Osborne themselves either (sort of inverse Osborne actually): http://www.gsmarena.com/next_iphone_...-news-4552.php
 
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