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2010-12-10 , 21:48
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#211
Originally Posted by Olvi View Post
So because of some vague quote of N900 being step 4/5 it's ok it had shitloads of bugs when it first came for sale, and that "support" as you call it was pretty much just fixing SOME of those bugs it shouldn't have had in the first place.

Not to mention the lack of the most basic features like proper navigation or that awesome QT app support all the Nokia people talk about, not that I've seen any of that or never will.

It's a quite simple, N900 was and still is a great piece of hardware that had great promise but it never really had a chance to succeed because of lack of support from Nokia. That's pretty much a known fact to anyone else but the most rabid Nokia fanboys...
exactly! you have just succesfully described the step 5/5 OS...
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#212
Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
I strongly disagree. without meego, M5 would have already been EOL:ed by M6....
The nature of the differences between Fremantle / Harmattan and Fremantle / MeeGo are such that developers are less welling to invest in Fremantle and would rather wait for MeeGo.

what about pasting sources to official statements about flash and ovi maps coming to M5? after that I can agree that you are fully in touch with reality.
I'm not sure why we're arguing we both acknowledge that this was a release not fully supported with the energy Nokia typically puts behind a full release. You call it beta with no path to gold and I call it early EOSL, not that different really. Do you really think there will be a PR 1.4 with new features?
 
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#213
Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
exactly! you have just succesfully described the step 5/5 OS...
You really should look into concatenating posts
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Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
I'd call that bad research
I challenge you to find any source prior to October 09 saying that Nokia will cease support for the N900 in less then a year.

Dont you get it?! EVERY phone is some "step" to somewhere.
each phone manufacturer feast on their prior experience in order to achieve better on the next device. Does it make it okay for HTC to drop support for the Desire to force you to get the Desire Z/Pro?
So why is it okay for Nokia to drop support for the N900 just in the high hopes all of us will get the N9.
I dont know about you, but i use my phone for about 2-3 years. So no way i am replacing my n900 in the next year or so.

Like I said, i bought the phone for its current captabilities and i am HAPPY with it.
If you'd bother reading everything i said you'll come to realize that i am bothered with the principle of not supporting a 1 year old phone while supporting a 3 year old phone.
I am tired of repeating myself, so lets just drop it.

EDIT: Also, Discouraging development for their own OS is just NOT cool.
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[QUOTE=Texrat;894257]I respectfully disagree. Again, I am using it full time now. It has replaced easily 90% of Windows XP work. Looks like a .999 release from my perspective.

Does your comment imply that MeeGo could be a very serious and legible contender rival to PC and Desktop OS? Taking on the linux stable, Windows and Mac OS at some stage?

That sounds pretty much exciting.
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Summary for those who missed it follows...

Nokia 5 step process
1. Design and produce an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment.
2. Pre-market it as being fashion-statement merchandise
(focus on trendy disco-hopping fluff-worshiping socialites - actively ignore potential business usages)
3. Wait about 6 months after announcing it to actually ship.
(Be sure to ship to different parts of the world on different months,
even different years if possible)
4. Make sure that development and support is merely an imaginary rumour enterprise
(I read that Oracle is setting the benchmarks in this regard these days)
5. Utterly renounce the product and completely abandon both
hardware and software fundamentals before the line is even completely sold.

...repeat as necessary...

They did not do that with the 9210 but they began
this business model with the 9500 (~9300 for the limp-wrist set)
and completely alienated their business market sector
with the soso e90 and the n97 trainwreck

Anyone care to wager on how long the Meego thing runs
before Nokia steps to the plate and abandons Meego N9
for yet another OS twist ?
They say 'sometime in 2011' so roughly you see this
dreamware showing up on shelves by Christmas next year (maybe)
and by the next summer it will already be replanned around INTEL chipsets
(oops, there went all the driver/code we were using in ARMEL,
shucks - now the widgets and apps are misbehaving,
meaning an excuse to switch to a new OS - yet AGAIN)

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2010-12-11 , 06:29
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Originally Posted by geohsia View Post
The nature of the differences between Fremantle / Harmattan and Fremantle / MeeGo are such that developers are less welling to invest in Fremantle and would rather wait for MeeGo.
investing to fremantle wouldn't probably have been realistic option even without meego. testing stuff and experimenting probably would have been realistic for fremantle. but still the most of the commercial content would probably have utilized the drm chip (and multitouch) and that would also mean no content to fremantle or demos/similar at maximum.

Originally Posted by geohsia View Post
I'm not sure why we're arguing we both acknowledge that this was a release not fully supported with the energy Nokia typically puts behind a full release. You call it beta with no path to gold and I call it early EOSL, not that different really. Do you really think there will be a PR 1.4 with new features?
probably not, but this is exactly what I mean when I talk about step 4. early EOSL is not what I'd say because appearance of harmattan would have EOSL:d fremantle at the same point or even earlier.
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2010-12-11 , 06:43
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Originally Posted by ironm8 View Post
I challenge you to find any source prior to October 09 saying that Nokia will cease support for the N900 in less then a year.
1. Step 4/5 (but it is still awesome)
2. Step 5/5 comes in Q4/2010-Q1/2011
3. Step 4 and step 5 will have radical hardware differences
4. N810 stopped getting support after an year because it had major HW differences (opengl used with the homescreen etc...)
5. The goal for nokia is to reach step 5 and when that happends, Maemo will be mainstream os

at least for me the conclusion is pretty obivous... and MeeGo didn't probably alter the outcome at all.

source for 1,2,3 and 5: nokia keynotes sept 2. 2009 by Vanjoki and Kallasvuo
(you probably don't need to search the sources for 4. too long...)
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#219
Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
Not true.

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/...n_Symbian3.php

Yes, Skype for Symbian3 step 1 of 2 has been released a few days ago.
Where is the video call? Ah, traditionally comes with PR 1.2 , that's right. Good things seem to take time.

Come on, I was just trying to I llustrate that the N8 is so new that it does not even have it's core features (communication) in order.
Let alone that a flood of really nice and useful QT apps would be ready porting back to MaemoN900.

Again, untrue.

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/..._adds_one_.php
Not good enough. The old share online did not push you towards social networks and 3rd party apps.
Share online is mainly about pictures and video's right? And N8 is deemed a camera phone. Flickr anyone? Take an E71 compare and cry for Nokia selling out to "the there is an app for that" qty above quality...

edit: forgot to mention: posted out of back of car 30km out of Hanoi, while uploading some BlessN900 pics to Flickr all on my own without Nokia supporting my device
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#220
Originally Posted by ironm8 View Post
Dont you get it?! EVERY phone is some "step" to somewhere.
each phone manufacturer feast on their prior experience in order to achieve better on the next device.
You do understand that in the 5-step-plan, only step 5 would be a mass-market product that is ready for the average end user. step 4 ist not considered ready for the mass market (or the typical end user). - this is where your analogy fails: yes, every consumer electronic product is a step to the next... but only very few are designed to not reach the mass market, to not please the crowds, to be an incomplete concept device for geeks and enthusiasts. This is the one point that you didn't get.
 

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