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We need a CEO that that is prioritize the tablet and put an order of tablet BEFORE running out of funds.
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Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
We need a CEO that that is prioritize the tablet and put an order of tablet BEFORE running out of funds.
No, that wouldn't do. We need a CEO that first prioritizes not running out of funds, and only afterwards places an order for tablets. Because there's no point in placing an order if the company isn't going to be around long enough to receive the resulting products.

I think Jolla has accomplished some pretty amazing results in the last few years. Sailfish is, in my opinion, at a point now where it is quite marketable to mobile device manufacturers. If only Jolla could manage to hook a few more clients, or find some other way to monetize their product, they'd be better able to get over the current crisis; maybe a new investor can come up with a novel strategy to sell Sailfish to new customers...

In any case, once funding is secured, tablet production can continue. But there's no reason to bother with the tablets if the company itself is kaput.
 
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The more this thread goes on, the more it's apparent how many do not know how a startup may be ran.
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
The more this thread goes on, the more it's apparent how many do not know how a startup may be ran.
Feel free to enlighten us. How may a start up be run?
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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
Sailfish is, in my opinion, at a point now where it is quite marketable to mobile device manufacturers.
I asked that before and I will ask again: how do you know? As far as I know, you still do not have a Sailfish device. I do and I can tell you it is full of holes. I am quite forgiving and can live with that but even I would think twice before inflicting it on an unsuspecting layman. Now consider a case of a mobile manufacturer. Their idea of what is marketable must be much more uncompromising than yours or mine.
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It's marketable if basic stuff is implemented and it has potential. It was the same with first Android devices, they lacked features and IMO were damn ugly pieces, but the potential was there (if you read T-Mobile G1 reviews from that time).
 
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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
I do and I can tell you it is full of holes. I am quite forgiving and can live with that but even I would think twice before inflicting it on an unsuspecting layman.
Hmm. Pichlo, have you really been in the world of unsuspecting laymen recently? I myself have been using an Android phone for over a year now. The OS is not flawless. I've had the phone freeze on me a couple of times. In fact, T-Mobile has this helpful little "Device Health" app that is constantly giving me a little warning about my device uptime. Here, let me quote from it:

Give your phone a break! Turning your device off and then back on can help reduce the number of applications, services, and gremlins running in the background thus extending your battery life. (To restart your phone -- press and hold the Power button.)
From the rate at which this message pops up, it seems that they'd prefer that normal users reboot their phones at least once a week, if not more frequently. And I don't see why unsuspecting laymen would argue with that...

Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
Now consider a case of a mobile manufacturer. Their idea of what is marketable must be much more uncompromising than yours or mine.
HA! My own understanding of the mobile market is that if it's pretty, it's marketable. (E.g., Windows Phone was an extremely pretty OS...)

In any case, yes, I'm only looking at the Sailfish emulator right now. But I would imagine that phones intended for the mass market will get the same treatment that Apple or Google give: the user will be much less able to perform risky tasks (the OS will lock those down one way or another), and that they'll be encouraged to reboot with some frequency. And Jolla has learned a number of things with their first phone that they can apply to future phones (such as never using BTRFS ever again ).

If your issue is with the app problems, again, I don't see why unsuspecting laymen would complain at all about using Android apps (even for mail or web browsing).

Anyway, the OS is plenty good right now, feature-wise, to make its first appearance in the hands of normal users. Bug-wise, I would imagine that once they get paying customers (that is, paying corporate customers) demanding bug fixes, that Jolla would spend more time concentrating on getting those done...

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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
Hmm. Pichlo, have you really been in the world of unsuspecting laymen recently?
Oh yes, I married one (not exactly a layman but that's an implementation detail)

If your issue is with the app problems, again, I don't see why unsuspecting laymen would complain at all about using Android apps (even for mail or web browsing).
I am thinking more about the basic apps like Phone, Messages, People (contact book), Email...
But yeah, if the manufacturer with some basic understanding of such things should work would implement those, then the end user's experience may be much smoother.
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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
I am thinking more about the basic apps like Phone, Messages, People (contact book), Email...
Actually, I kind of gave up on the HTC mail app that came with my phone long ago, and went ahead and installed Google Mail instead. Same with the HTC "internet" app; I installed Chrome. There are decent Android alternatives for pretty much anything (other than the Phone app I suppose, although I haven't looked for an alternative Android Phone app yet).

But yeah, if the manufacturer with some basic understanding of such things should work would implement those, then the end user's experience may be much smoother.
I know I've said this before, but I believe Jolla was using the Phone (and the Tablet) mainly to advertise Sailfish. As such, it was more important to show off capabilities and features than to provide a smooth day-to-day experience...
 
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Originally Posted by pycage View Post
Jolla is working on an OS update for the phone and the tablet.

tablet! Why with the present difficulties would they try and
update the OS for 250-300 Tablets, surely this must be a low low priority, why waste time on this?
 
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