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I'd like to remark that on one of the screenshots he shows he's installed two of my apps from extras-devel.
Well, the issue is that neither did fully work by the time he probably did the review - I've since gotten some useful feedback and at least one of them should work a bit better now.
Of course, that's the reason they were in extras-devel in the first place and not -testing, but I can imagine that deciding to install a few apps and seeing them not doing what they were supposed to do would only bias him in a negative way.
Hopefully he understood what extras-devel means and the fact I do not have a N900 and thus have to do "blind testing".
Last edited by javispedro; 2009-09-25 at 11:20.
Well, the issue is that neither did fully work by the time he probably did the review - I've since gotten some useful feedback and at least one of them should work a bit better now.
Of course, that's the reason they were in extras-devel in the first place and not -testing, but I can imagine that deciding to install a few apps and seeing them not doing what they were supposed to do would only bias him in a negative way.
Hopefully he understood what extras-devel means and the fact I do not have a N900 and thus have to do "blind testing".
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by ArnimS
Psst, maybe this ***** was referring to N900 prototype...
And copyright infringement is neither of those.
Originally Posted by Texrat
..and we know Nokia had to sacrifice for priorities because of bugs found. Like with USB.
...and as a former N800 QA engineer I can assure you they happen. We encountered the occasional hardware glitch on some units that didn't show up on the vast majority, and all in preproduction and early release. But then, that only serves to underscore the points about eldar's "preview" being disingenuous; his reported troubles induce a concern disproportionate to the reality.
Also, do not neglect possibility the user (Eldar in this case) operated the device wrong.
Originally Posted by bugelrex
I'm not aware of that reputation but I am aware that when a product is released to masses it is entirely possible these people are going to use the device in ways internal testing did not.
You mean Nokia's reputation for treating its smartphone buyers as beta-testers? The N-Series devices certainly don't have a reputation as being rock-solid on initial releases.
Originally Posted by Mandor
You cannot fully test a piece of electronics in a store in such a limited amount of time, and some hardware like a HDD you cannot extensively test as customer.
That is why I insist on always testing it myself before I spend the money. Reviews will only tell me if it worth my time to go and test the device.
If I'll want to test Nokia N900 I will have to travel 2x 1,5-2 hours for that. I rather buy Nokia N900, and if I do not like it use my EU rights to send it back.
Likewise, I bought an iPod touch partly to review iPhoneOS. Yes, I needed a new flash-based DAP too. I combined these 2 'needs' (luxaries, rather).
Originally Posted by gerbick
As posted earlier in this thread:
Even though I've followed this thread, I might have missed if there are any reviews from 3rd parties other than this individual out there on more recent firmware.
Thanks in advance.
Michal Jerz from My-Symbian.com has used a prototype since 20090903 and has not experienced a single crash.
Perhaps Eldar upgraded to newer firmware which introduced regressions. We'll never know.
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Originally Posted by zerojay
its really not the fact of getting at the complainers i understand why but what I'm saying is we giving to much into this topic people will do what they want to nonetheless. I understand that people look at his reviews for guidance but there will be even more million reviews, hands on, and buyers when the device drops .
If you don't understand why we're complaining, read the previous posts. It should be plenty clear to you.
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just read what qgil said and agree 100%, basically the same thing I'm saying.
Brothers, sisters: love, peace and prosperity.
If you notice it, everybody is trying to do their job as good as they can. The Maemo team is working on a great product. Eldar makes reviews based on what he has and no matter what his intentions are it's clear that he puts his best skills into it. All you are great smart dudes that could be just wathing TV and instead you are here squeezing your brain and skills as well.
It's not worth discussing about appreciations that will be obsoleted as soon as the N900 starts selling, no matter how positive or negative such appreciations are. Pre-order, wait, support, critize... Do as you want, what matters is this common interest of making something great with this Maemo 5.
Respect is more important than any bug or any piece of silicon, and ultimately we are all here for the fun of it.
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by javispedro
Well, at least we know he's a man of taste and culture.
I'd like to remark that on one of the screenshots he shows he's installed two of my apps...
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by javispedro
Yes, I was about to point that out too. It looks like he crammed the device with unstable software, who knows what consequences that has on the device's overall stability (let alone battery life). Hopefully that's just for screenshots and not what he is basing his comments on.
I'd like to remark that on one of the screenshots he shows he's installed two of my apps from extras-devel.
Well, the issue is that neither did fully work by the time he probably did the review - I've since gotten some useful feedback and at least one of them should work a bit better now.
Of course, that's the reason they were in extras-devel in the first place and not -testing, but I can imagine that deciding to install a few apps and seeing them not doing what they were supposed to do would only bias him in a negative way.
Hopefully he understood what extras-devel means and the fact I do not have a N900 and thus have to do "blind testing".
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Originally Posted by kanishou
I wouldn't go that far -- few apps will affect overall stability.
Yes, I was about to point that out too. It looks like he crammed the device with unstable software, who knows what consequences that has on the device's overall stability (let alone battery life). .
But otherwise, your point is valid. If he lets any of the apps in extras-devel unfavor his opinion about the device in any way I'd consider the review invalid -- because of people like me
(who use extras-devel for what I think it is: a testground for experimental apps, which may or may not have enough quality yet to be promoted to -testing).Of course, this does not apply for apps in extras(-stable).
However, don't forget to give him the benefit of doubt. Probably, he did know what to expect from extras-devel.
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Haha that would be the equivilent of jailbreaking the iPhone, installing a bunch of unstable apps and then saying the iPhone sucks because of that.
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Originally Posted by kopte3
Thou dost protest too much, methinks....
No it wouldn't.
Do you have anything to gain here? Is this about gaining traffic on a certain website?
hmmm.....
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re battery life. I agree this will be important to most. As a heavy user of the N95 (joikuspot) I am used to batteries getting drained pretty quickly but thank god we can change it and carry multiple ones. Re the review. I don't really care about this one and am waiting for the phone to be released and see the overall reaction of the testers (not the techcrunch guys or OM Malik obviously)