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	Texrat	2009-11-25 , 04:00
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy

Also try to stay on topic. This is not a debate about me or my expectations. I have 8+ smartphones laying around on my desk so I would say that my expectations were VERY correct.

N900 is not a smartphone... sooo... do the math?

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Bratag	2009-11-25 , 04:02
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Originally Posted by davetech

Ya gotta admit though, the lag is clearly present in his videos. I'd be a bit miffed too if I received mine in the same condition. Sure, I'd still hold out for updates to fix it and I would still be optimistic of its potential, but my out of the box experience would still get knocked down a notch or two. No reason not to expect better than at least S60 web browsing in Nokia's highly-touted, multi-tasking, desktop web browsing, mobile computer. Of course Nokia does have a knack for shipping buggy phones upon initial release (and releasing better firmware fixes for some regions only... what's up with that?). I can't say I have much confidence in Nokia's software side of things. Clearly, even with essentially identical hardware, Apple does a bang up job of coding the browser rendering.

I'll continue to try to keep my expectations in check and hope I don't receive a phone with similar issues. However, that's no excuse for Nokia to be shipping out some phones that do.

I do admit the problem is present on HIS machine. But I am still bound by the law of averages and when I see 20 videos none of which show the issue and read testimonial after testimonial that the browser is not only fast but amazing. I kind of have to think perhaps the problem is HIS N900 - NOT a broad issue with the N900 in general.

If he was serious about solving the issue and not just whining he would be here asking for help on flashing the latest firmware - telling us what other programs he may have installed etc. But he didnt.

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	Texrat	2009-11-25 , 04:04
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Cripes, I've been approaching this nuttiness all wrong.

Listen: everyone who subscribes to over-the-top negativity, and is scared off by threads like this-- please Please PLEASE do NOT buy this device!

There. I'm thinking better now.

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davetech	2009-11-25 , 04:10
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Originally Posted by Bratag

I do admit the problem is present on HIS machine. But I am still bound by the law of averages and when I see 20 videos none of which show the issue and read testimonial after testimonial that the browser is not only fast but amazing. I kind of have to think perhaps the problem is HIS N900 - NOT a broad issue with the N900 in general.

If he was serious about solving the issue and not just whining he would be here asking for help on flashing the latest firmware - telling us what other programs he may have installed etc. But he didnt.

I agree, I'd try to get it at the same configuration as others who are experiencing better performance before I condemn it.

But if it still sucks after trying that, other's experiencing kickass performance whilst mine was pissing itself would be of no consolation to me. But I suppose that's a discussion for when it happens, if it happens. Fingers crossed.

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Megacrazy	2009-11-25 , 04:11
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Originally Posted by Bratag

I do admit the problem is present on HIS machine. But I am still bound by the law of averages and when I see 20 videos none of which show the issue and read testimonial after testimonial that the browser is not only fast but amazing. I kind of have to think perhaps the problem is HIS N900 - NOT a broad issue with the N900 in general.

If he was serious about solving the issue and not just whining he would be here asking for help on flashing the latest firmware - telling us what other programs he may have installed etc. But he didnt.

WTH are you talking about? I have the latest firmware...in fact there IS only one firmware for production devices.

My machine only?

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHa3AoNdglY. Familiar huh?

Do you even HAVE an N900?

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rundumel	2009-11-25 , 04:12
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Originally Posted by Bratag

God forbid you view one the the other dozens of videos which show the browser performing smoothly - or read the reviews (including engadgets, a site notoriously Nokia hating) who say that the browser is the best they have ever seen. No much better to watch a couple of videos from a guy who hasnt even bothered to TRY and fix his issue, even when other people with the device have said they have NO issues like his at all.

Yep thats the way to go

Lol I know... I wasn't serious at all and what I actually meant so say was "I still can't wait to get my n900 and get rid of my iphone"! I don't say this scrolling thing isn't worth mentioning, but it's annoying to see a thread "n900 sucks!" and then realise that this is supposed to be the main reason why as it is being wildly discussed here. But then again it also annoys me how most tech sites do reviews of phones that do almost endless lists of things and all they do is pick 10 aspects, compare those and rate the phones according to that.

And I'm not saying the iphone sucks by the way. It is magnificent in a lot of ways, especially how beautifully and carefully the OS is animated and how images and pages you move follow your finger like you're moving physical objects... I've just always been a NSeries fan and miss my N79... :-D

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jjx	2009-11-25 , 04:13
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Originally Posted by davetech

No reason not to expect better than at least S60 web browsing in Nokia's highly-touted, multi-tasking, desktop web browsing, mobile computer.

Trust me.

Put an S60 web browser* and the N900 browser side by side.

Scroll them.

Post videos.

I guarantee the N900 will feel incredibly smooth.

* - on a real S60 phone, no cheating with an emulator** on a PC

** - I bet an S60 emulator running on an N900 will do a better job of scrolling than on a real S60 phone

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	Texrat	2009-11-25 , 04:16
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy

WTH are you talking about? I have the latest firmware...in fact there IS only one firmware for production devices.

My machine only?

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHa3AoNdglY. Familiar huh?

Do you even HAVE an N900?

Have you read any of the posts by others of us who do?

You know... the ones not experiencing those issues?

The ones thinking Bratag is on to something with the Unique Device Behavior theory?

I've got a product quality assurance background. As a former Nokia engineer I helped launch the N800 and know most of its dirty little secrets. Some should easily apply to the N900. Care to chill and listen a bit?

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rundumel	2009-11-25 , 04:17
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Originally Posted by ArnimS

No it is not.

Comparing a computer running many things to a computer optimised to do one thing at a time is silly. Im not sure what the jerky scrolling is caused-by, but remember that the screen is twice the resolution of iphone. Pretending that you can define "the game" for the rest of the planet is amusing, at best.

In the real world there are tradeoffs. When we grow up we see this more frequently and say "OMG" less often.

People never get when I'm being sarcastic... Or ironic? I don't even know the difference... It's my problem really... :-)

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Bratag	2009-11-25 , 04:18
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy

WTH are you talking about? I have the latest firmware...in fact there IS only one firmware for production devices.

My machine only?

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHa3AoNdglY. Familiar huh?

Do you even HAVE an N900?

Yep looks like a video of a pre-production device from 2+ months ago. Try again.

No I don't yet have my N900 but I can read - I can see and nothing else backs up your problem.

Did you ever consider that your build may have problems and that flashing back to a base version might help with those - of course that would involve you actually having to do something to help yourself. Much easier to stick to the whining and moaning, cause you know - thats working out great for you.