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2009-08-25
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#232
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Analogy is a useful tool to quickly pass an approximation of a concept to a broader audience, provided you can come up with a good analogy. It's no substitute to actually understanding the issues.
Still wanna talk in analogies?
Still wanna talk in analogies?
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2009-08-25
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Seriously, you guys...
If any of you get satisfied by an operating system, you need new values in your life.
And if you don't understand that not everybody wants to prioritize spending a large percentage of their free time on learning an additional operating system (or a first one, for that matter) then you need a life for those values.
Learning how to get the best out of an operating system is not knowledge, it is time that should have been used on something else. We're geeks in here. But don't expect everyone else to be.
If any of you get satisfied by an operating system, you need new values in your life.
And if you don't understand that not everybody wants to prioritize spending a large percentage of their free time on learning an additional operating system (or a first one, for that matter) then you need a life for those values.
Learning how to get the best out of an operating system is not knowledge, it is time that should have been used on something else. We're geeks in here. But don't expect everyone else to be.
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2009-08-25
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Originally Posted by ColdFusion
Sorry but do you mind specifying your sources? In our communication we are always clear that Maemo focuses on touchscreen devices that fit in your pocket.
I guess some people are disapointed, because we've been told that Maemo will be used in all kinds of devices with different form factors, architectures and hardware features, that we assumed that the rumoured netbooks will atleast have a Maemo option. And wouldn't that be great to have the same OS on your smartphone and netbook devices. Wasn't that the vertical OS thing that everyone was excited about?
Wait until Nokia World and the full details about this product (hardware, software, services, sales channels...) before making solid conclusions.
If you only care about the hardware running Linux I personally share this curiosity. Thinking specifically on Intel's Moblin. But it is clear that the business case with Windows, Ovi services and etc is there, no matter whether this sounds appealing to this audience or not.
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2009-08-25
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The issue is that if you buy something that doesn't work for you, just because you didn't RTFM before you bought it, or don't want to RTFM after you bought it, then it's your problem and not the problem of the product
The analogies are only in the second part of my post, you can freely address the first one.
The analogies are only in the second part of my post, you can freely address the first one.
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2009-08-25
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Originally Posted by ColdFusion
Noone on the planet Earth did ever read the - impolite - manual of a computer before they bought it.
The issue is that if you buy something that doesn't work for you, just because you didn't RTFM before you bought it, or don't want to RTFM after you bought it, then it's your problem and not the problem of the product
The analogies are only in the second part of my post, you can freely address the first one.
Never.
Ever.
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2009-08-25
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Maybe not computers, because I wouldn't know what to expect from a computer manual exceptg for "how to connect the S-ATA cable"... but I admit I read manuals (if available online) of cameras, phones and other gadgets I bua because they tell me more about what a device can actually do than the spec sheet. (Like: How good is the built-in video editing capability of a given phone? Which options do I have in the syncML settings? etc.)
Unfortunately, a lot of companies (including Nokia) have very bad and short manuals recently. They only state the obvious. ("Camera: Your phone has a built in camera. Press the button with the camera symbol for high-quality photos.")
Unfortunately, a lot of companies (including Nokia) have very bad and short manuals recently. They only state the obvious. ("Camera: Your phone has a built in camera. Press the button with the camera symbol for high-quality photos.")
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2009-08-25
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Computer manuals are bloatware centric as far as I have read in them. Also there's a quick start guide, that a lot more people read. Because they have to.
If I suggest to my family members that they can find some information in the manual, they look at me like I am rude. Those are the average computer users. Many don't even understand the manual if they do try to read it. It is too much information in one place for someone who basically just wants to open their excel sheets, faster, in a slimmer, cooler notebook.
There is no certificate required to use a computer. Or a dishwasher. Most people will buy their first dishwasher without knowing anything at all about dishwashers. That is the norm. It is also true about computers, even about cars. Again with the cars. Heck, I don't know anything about checking the breaks. Most people don't. That's why it's legally required to have them checked every second year by someone who do know, here.
If I suggest to my family members that they can find some information in the manual, they look at me like I am rude. Those are the average computer users. Many don't even understand the manual if they do try to read it. It is too much information in one place for someone who basically just wants to open their excel sheets, faster, in a slimmer, cooler notebook.
There is no certificate required to use a computer. Or a dishwasher. Most people will buy their first dishwasher without knowing anything at all about dishwashers. That is the norm. It is also true about computers, even about cars. Again with the cars. Heck, I don't know anything about checking the breaks. Most people don't. That's why it's legally required to have them checked every second year by someone who do know, here.
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2009-08-25
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Originally Posted by qgil
Of course you didn't announce any plans of Maemo being targeted at netbooks or for that matter even phones. But there's always been some hints here and there that while the official usecase for Maemo is for "touchscreen devices that fit in your pocket" eventually it'll be used on a broad range of devices. And if you read the blagosphere
Sorry but do you mind specifying your sources? In our communication we are always clear that Maemo focuses on touchscreen devices that fit in your pocket.
before the anouncement of the Booklet most of the speculation were that the rumoured netbooks will be running Maemo. And now all the tech blogs are either going "wtf, win7 no maemo?" or "here's why it's win7 and not maemo". So there was certainly something in the air.And I don't want to get anyone in trouble, and I know that there weren't official announcements of anything. But there were still some hints here and there:
Originally Posted by ragnar
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=259I've said it over many years and I'll continue saying that Maemo is not about any single device but about a software platform, eventually running many different kinds of devices.
Originally Posted by qgil
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=115And in addition to that let me remind once more that Maemo is a platform being developed to support several devices. The architecture it is already quite flexible and this flexibility is what allows any device program to think in different form factors, hardware keys and etc.
Originally Posted by qgil
Sure, but if at Nokia World you don't announce that the Booklet will have a Linux option, then I think the conclusions are valid.
Wait until Nokia World and the full details about this product (hardware, software, services, sales channels...) before making solid conclusions.
Originally Posted by qgil
Yes, Moblin is very nice. And I'm sure it'll be community ported to the Booklet. I just regret that Nokia for the time being didn't want to invest in porting Ovi services and what not, to give a Linux choice to the consumer.
If you only care about the hardware running Linux I personally share this curiosity. Thinking specifically on Intel's Moblin. But it is clear that the business case with Windows, Ovi services and etc is there, no matter whether this sounds appealing to this audience or not.
Volt, so again you're saying that ignorance is an excuse for every stupid action people do and they shouldn't be personally held accountable for them.
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2009-08-25
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No, I am saying you have an unrealistic view of how much people know about computers.
The best you can do is try to explain them what it's all about, but if they only hear "it'll be cheaper that way", then it's their fault.
Fact is, they are making an uninformed decision, that has nothing to do with not being a geek or a nerd. But with some common sense.
You can't drive a car and not check your brakes, isn't that an obvious technicalitie? Well yes, but if you don't do it, you might die. Just like if you don't pay attention what laptop you are buying might drop you out of college like that girl.
Just like there are design courses that require an Apple Notebook, but buying an Apple is expensive and it has an unfamiliar OS. So I'll just buy a cheap Dell Laptop with Windows, but then I can't do anything with it for the course, because it's not an Apple Notebook! Oh stupid Dell and stupid Windows, you've ruined my life, it's all your fault!