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Originally Posted by geneven
Especially because N950 seems to be "Harmattan/Maemo6" device and not "Meego" device. So, updates to Meego won't be supported if Nokia drops support. I'd advice Nokia to make N950 Meego-ready and get the "Meego" certificate. It would sell better, easier for marketing and people would rather buy when they know Meego will continue at least if Nokia won't.
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2011-03-03
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Originally Posted by XWY-15-J-697
That just looks like an advert tacked onto the end of the video.
at 6.36 there is some strange device - if you have a look at names you can find "Nokia" as on of the contacts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtNV0...eature=related
can it be N950 ???
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2011-03-03
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Originally Posted by zimon
Isn' t that the route that Blackberry has taken with their tablet device recently? Some people in the industry are betting that this move is going to cheapen the Blackberry platform and just gives Android that much more credence and only provides better value for Android platform devices. It'll be a lot like the old days of owning a computer running MS/DOS versus DR/DOS or any one of the other DOS clones. You could use them--but everybody kept writing their software specifically against MS/DOS and they weren't very well guaranteed to run well anywhere else. That only bolstered confidence in purchasing something with MS/DOS and made everything else at least one notch less than ideal for running your games or applications. If Blackberry (or, in your case, Nokia) runs Android apps under a different OS and people get a taste of it, and like it more or less despite the glitches of running on something other than Android, they'll be far more certain that they'll want an actual Android device next time.
I am repeating myself, but for those reasons I think it is crucial Nokia's first Meego device should have Dalvik VM so people could immediately have applications over the critical limit and it would lure developers and users from the Android-league.
I know some Qt-developers do not want this to happen, because they are afraid of competition, but I think it is only way Meego would succeed.
Despite the fact that I own and genuinely enjoy my Android experience, I'd rather like to see Blackberry and Nokia COMPETE and see if they can outshine in SOME kinds of innovations instead of just giving in and becoming yet another "ME TOO" platform. (ala Nokia's throwing in the towel on what they COULD have been ahead and cornered the market on today (Internet Tablets), instead they decided to slop together yet another "ME TOO" smart phone to compete with iPhone and Android... a market they were clearly NOT ahead of. Idiots.)
Originally Posted by kralde
I'm quite sure there are at least several Android phones and tablets that can do exactly that (in fact, the $250 (now $200) Nook Color I hacked for my mom does that). Durrr. But that's beside the fact--as someone else put it, if you can have a stable and supported environment, that's worth a lot more than a sloppy, unsupported one.
@Danramos:
The N900 can do things that the other phones cant do at the moment. Few androids can dual boot, even triple boot like the n900 (meego,maemo,android), also you can install ubuntu,windows....etc
Also it OS is 99 % open source...android its not comparable to maemo, android itd an OS for the common people, but with details and suppor for developers, but maemo its fully for developers. you cant compare android and maemo,never.
I also dispute your figure of 99% open-source. Where did you get that figure from? I REALLY want to know. Did they open-source the calendar? The media player? What about the power system? Drivers? Seriously--where did you get that number? Last time someone compiled figures on openness in another thread on this very same forum, it looked like far less of Maemo was open-source than Android's OS. In VERY respect Android has far, far fewer OS-crippling dependencies on closed-source too (that is, you CAN replace closed-source with open-source in Android all over the place, but Maemo becomes broken when you try).
Originally Posted by ysss
For that matter, if they wanted to keep more Maemo developers, why are they looking internally inside Nokia anyway? Why not open-source the goddam thing already? Right?
That's a really bad news for Nokia's MeeGo strategy.
You simply can't buy open minds...
Originally Posted by pelago
It's not the first time they've done that: http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products...andn900_228x96
According to http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/mee...ch/481793.html Hämäläinen Kimmo from Nokia specifically says that they are developing a "phone". This may be a slip, but this seems to be the first time someone has said "phone" rather than "device". Of course, this is not an official announcement.
Originally Posted by EzInKy
Except that the Maemo isn't open-source, it's open-core (it's not even open-development, as evidenced by all the portions that only Nokia can patch or fix as you can see from all the FIXED IN _NEXT OS_ and WONTFIXES, and so on, that the community hasn't even been allowed to see code for much less have access to the repositories to fix themselves FOR Nokia). MeeGo will hopefully end up being a different story but I can't help this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach after living out the last several years with a Nokia device and watching how they've treated us so far all while beating their chest about openness and giving back to the community.
Odd as this may sound to you, this is exactly why you should support open over closed. Forget commercial apps, they are a dead end in the long run. Companies exist to make money and to do so they have to take money from you. That is a win/lose proposition because as soon as your money becomes meaningless to them compared to the potential billions available from others they will drop you like a hot potato.
Originally Posted by geneven
Given Nokia's abysmal communication in the past, would it surprise you if they said some marketing-worthy drivel along the lines of, "STEP 5 of 5! THIS IS IT! Maemo is finally PERFECT! Buy them before they disappear!" Which is, of course, code for "end of line" and "last batch, buy 'em but you're on your own from now on... don't bother us about support."
We have seen how Nokia acts when it drops a device. If you want that experience with the N950, buy one when it's ready.
I predict that it will be harder to get fixes out of Nokia than ever. Before you have time to blink, Nokia will be focused on selling its upcoming Windows phones. When customers have complaints, Nokia will say that the N950 was designed as an experiment,
not as a smoothly working phone, and this was announced long before it was even released.
How are you going to argue with that?
Mark my words and watch. I've made predictions on here before that nobody wanted to take seriously and they've usually ended up panning out like that. :P
Originally Posted by zimon
Of course, you also won't be able to buy replacement parts, you'll need to ship your hardware in a box to who-knows-where all over God's creation so that you can be without your device for weeks to possibly months until it comes back... maybe repaired, maybe not, maybe replaced. No thanks. I don't trust Nokia any further anymore. I trust Nokia no more than I can talk face to face, in person with one of their employees or even a Nokia representative--which, so far even with traveling all over the US for years, has been never. I learned my lesson. Thanks, Nokia.
Especially because N950 seems to be "Harmattan/Maemo6" device and not "Meego" device. So, updates to Meego won't be supported if Nokia drops support. I'd advice Nokia to make N950 Meego-ready and get the "Meego" certificate. It would sell better, easier for marketing and people would rather buy when they know Meego will continue at least if Nokia won't.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
True, all I am saying is that there are also hard practical reasons why I prefer the current N900.
Not picking on you... however even if the iPhone 5 had all of the above, people would still nitpick against it because of the closed ecosystem or something petty... like Steve Jobs.
Originally Posted by gerbick
Well, needs are a funny thing. I used to think that the Palm TX covered all my "needs".
Your needs are different than quite a few other folks (read: the people that bought the iPhone in the past)
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Many of the things I mentioned on my above list of questions were completely absent from the Palm TX. What happened? Where did those needs come from? Well, they came from using them on the N900. Now I am spoiled and don't want an inferior device.
Originally Posted by gerbick
Yup. And, precisely because I don't see a device that meets those likes/dislikes in the horizon, I just purchased a second N900 to be safe.
But at the same time, it's damn nice that you have a set of likes/dislikes that is quite specific. Let's see if any phone/gadget delivers everything as you've described in full, final and supported ways from whomever - be it Nokia, Apple, Samsung or whomever.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
All of the mentioned points are actually on my strive-for list and several of those are on my dealbreaker list. I don't even think that list is asking for a lot, even though unfortunately some manufacturers seems to think so.
(...)
But at the same time, it's damn nice that you have a set of likes/dislikes that is quite specific. Let's see if any phone/gadget delivers everything as you've described in full, final and supported ways from whomever - be it Nokia, Apple, Samsung or whomever.
If the available software for reading office documents do not allow for writing word files or cost extra, as far as I am concerned, the phone has no office capabilities.
If the GPS isn't offline, as far as I am concerned, the phone has no GPS solution - roaming costs are insane.
If the media player is locked in to a store, and you can't replace it with an good alternative, as far as I am concerned the phone isn't equipped with a media player, only a store extension.
If you need to use special software to transfer files from a computer to your phone, as far as I am concerned, the phone is broken by design as a portable storage device.
A phone that doesn't have a user removable battery, is not built for users. It's built to expire.
If I can't buy a phone unlocked, I can't buy a phone that I decide how to use. If I don't decide how to use my phone, why would I buy it?
Now, I'm only pulling out the few points from that list that is important to me as a consumer and expert user. I have other points that do not disqualify Iphones, but really, these are all to some degree deal breakers for me. As it happens, I haven't yet had any problem finding a phone that allows as many as possible from my list of such essential functionality.
My biggest problem with the Iphone is that in my eyes, they have taken away essential functionality to better control the user. Just like Sony has been known to do. Unlike Sony, Apple has been so successful at this, that this disease is spreading throughout the phone business now.
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2011-03-04
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i dont trust nokia anymore
n8 PR 20 looks way better than windows mobile is now. why they dont release it
maemo support being sos o only 3 updates. never deliver all the promises.
its sad but any meego device if the community doesnt support it like the n900 it likely be dropped from the start like n900.
which thanks to maemo.org its turning awesome
Last edited by jo21; 2011-03-04 at 01:30.
n8 PR 20 looks way better than windows mobile is now. why they dont release it
maemo support being sos o only 3 updates. never deliver all the promises.
its sad but any meego device if the community doesnt support it like the n900 it likely be dropped from the start like n900.
which thanks to maemo.org its turning awesome
Last edited by jo21; 2011-03-04 at 01:30.
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Originally Posted by danramos
Except that Intel, now the single biggest proponent of MeeGo, sits at the other end of the tech food chain from Nokia and directly benefits from OS openness to the point that they are much more serious about it.
...Maemo isn't open-source, it's open-core (it's not even open-development, as evidenced by all the portions that only Nokia can patch or fix as you can see from all the FIXED IN _NEXT OS_ and WONTFIXES, and so on, that the community hasn't even been allowed to see code for much less have access to the repositories to fix themselves FOR Nokia). MeeGo will hopefully end up being a different story but I can't help this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach after living out the last several years with a Nokia device and watching how they've treated us so far all while beating their chest about openness and giving back to the community.
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I heard from *ExtendDEV they are developing apps for Meego.
*I got LatitudeAssist app from ExtendDEV
*I got LatitudeAssist app from ExtendDEV
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Originally Posted by jo21
Nokia anounced yesterday they will support MeeGo DE on the N900. In a couple of weeks we will be able to have a fully operational (somehat) MeeGo on the N900. Name me one other company that support their device with a new OS 16 months after launch.
i dont trust nokia anymore
n8 PR 20 looks way better than windows mobile is now. why they dont release it
maemo support being sos o only 3 updates. never deliver all the promises.
its sad but any meego device if the community doesnt support it like the n900 it likely be dropped from the start like n900.
which thanks to maemo.org its turning awesome
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Originally Posted by zimon
Errrr.... I thought Harmattan/Maemo6 was based on Meego, so this is a non-issue...
Especially because N950 seems to be "Harmattan/Maemo6" device and not "Meego" device. So, updates to Meego won't be supported if Nokia drops support.
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