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2008-11-03 , 19:06
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#251
Originally Posted by lcuk View Post
agreed in a way, but that in car usage case is representative of issues all over.
I cannot shutoff my network at night when i'm going to bed, or alter the brightness so i can start reading without getting out the stylus.
I've no trouble doing these things and others with "stylus" sized targets. I use my fingernail. To be honest I find leaving greasy paw prints on the screen visually annoying and requires frequent cleening of the screen. Finger UIs have their place in navigation but fail in operations like drawing, selecting text or following text links on web pages. All input methods have a place but none are a total substitute for all others. A good UI design should be intuitive, task oriented, accomdate and benefit the user without encumbering the way an application is used.
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I can't code. I could learn it, but I'm lazy and prefer to just pay... Pay the company that gives me what I want. (Or, to be more precise: That offers the best compromise.) Boring consumer attitude, I know.
I just wanted to point out that there is no Nokia closed source limiting anybody from developing alternative UIs, as you seemed to suggest in your initial post.

Also, you can trust ragnar when he suggests that pushing two UI paradigms is a hard (and expensive) exercise. He knows what he is talking about. Besides, it's just common sense: you read the news, you see the new products coming, you see the fast evolving UIs in these young form factors. Doing the right thing with one single UI paradigm is complex enough - do you know anybody (successful in business) pushing two?
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#253
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Also, you can trust ragnar when he suggests that pushing two UI paradigms is a hard (and expensive) exercise.
Did I ever say I wanted two? I want one that's working for me.

There was someone else who said in this thread that Maemo5 will most likely have a choice of two interfaces. I answered that I hardly believe this because Nokia didn't even make the size of scroll bars a user configurable choice in OS2008 although this would have been relatively easy compared to 2 completely different user interfaces.

Why's everybody trying to convince me now that developing two user interfaces is nonsense? ...?
 
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Originally Posted by qgil View Post
I just wanted to point out that there is no Nokia closed source limiting anybody from developing alternative UIs, as you seemed to suggest in your initial post.

Also, you can trust ragnar when he suggests that pushing two UI paradigms is a hard (and expensive) exercise. He knows what he is talking about. Besides, it's just common sense: you read the news, you see the new products coming, you see the fast evolving UIs in these young form factors. Doing the right thing with one single UI paradigm is complex enough - do you know anybody (successful in business) pushing two?
Well, I for one, feel Nokia slithering away from me. Posts like these make me feel like you guys don't have a clue how some of us use these devices. Or you could care less. For my personal use, so this isn't a matter of opinion, the n800 is superior to the n810 an the itouch. But you're right, I can always change the software, and I do. The hardware, not so much.
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#255
Originally Posted by daperl View Post
Well, I for one, feel Nokia slithering away from me. Posts like these make me feel like you guys don't have a clue how some of us use these devices. Or you could care less. For my personal use, so this isn't a matter of opinion, the n800 is superior to the n810 an the itouch. But you're right, I can always change the software, and I do. The hardware, not so much.
Did you personally use the n810?
I for one believed that the n810 was inferior to the n800 due to the increased prize, just for keyboard and the gps. That is the reason which prevented me from the upgrade initially. But after i upgraded there is no way i can go back to n800, even though it has lesser memory.
The keyboard made typing very comfortable and the sunlight readability real useful. Not to mention the gps.U gotta use the n810 to compare its usefullness with n800.
 

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The hardware, not so much.
Ermmm...
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Posts like these make me feel like you guys don't have a clue how some of us use these devices.
C'mon. Nokia does have a clue about users like you. And also about all the rest. Just look at the portfolio of devices, market segments, countries... For some reason they have decided that certain UI paradigm will pay our salaries and will make happier all stakeholders, including the majority of users Maemo is intended for. Perhaps even you, let's talk when the Fremantle UI is out, and Harmattan's, and...

In Maemo there is a bet on a UI paradigm and then there is a possibility for third parties to develop and maintain their own alternatives. Not a coincidence. We better concentrate in the critical missions and leave to the community space for variants at their taste and will.
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C'mon. Nokia does have a clue about users like you. And also about all the rest. Just look at the portfolio of devices, market segments, countries... For some reason they have decided that certain UI paradigm will pay our salaries and will make happier all stakeholders, including the majority of users Maemo is intended for. Perhaps even you, let's talk when the Fremantle UI is out, and Harmattan's, and...

In Maemo there is a bet on a UI paradigm and then there is a possibility for third parties to develop and maintain their own alternatives. Not a coincidence. We better concentrate in the critical missions and leave to the community space for variants at their taste and will.

qgil, one direct simple question, will existing applications continue to function in the new device?

ie, if people are happy with the paradigm they have now are they able to continue to use those applications?
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I would not say that my N800 is superior to the N810. However, I would say that my Garmin Nuvi 680 GPS is superior to N810 GPS and I almost always use my N800 indoors so I really never need sunlight readability.
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... all this stuff is nice, but when i wanted to offer the n800 to my wife, she said she could not open the Word document she received by email, and print it. I end up buying her a Acer Aspire 1.
Some very basic functionality is missing... hope the next version gets better
 

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