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2010-06-18
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Originally Posted by volt
The past 10 years, you know, the one where they got nailed to the wall for abusing a monopoly, releasing the failure that was Vista, and burning billions to force their way into the console business.
I am assuming there's only one "Developers, Developers, Developers" monkey boy.
So, what decade was that?
All of that was propped up by their OS monopoly and Office licensing. I'm not defending Nokia here, but Microsoft hasn't had a good decade unless you like a lack of ethics in your corporations and competence in your leadership.
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2010-06-18
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#253
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NOKIA should invest a lot more to strengthen the community (bugfixing or bring instead the new OS version officially to their devices when there is not enought manpower for the fixing of the old Bugs (we understand, double work)) and not to scare the userbase away by abandoning their bought devices only to earn more money by selling mostly identical hardware with improved software. This is not helpful!
Many N900 owners are at the moment very unsatisfied. Look at eBay! It's a great indicator. They are leaving the subsiding cruise liner. And this are not the new MeeGo customers. Not in the next few years...
My advice:
Make the Software independent. The people who wants improved Hardware (speed, camera, multitouch) has to buy a new device. And they will! The others got the fixes and Nokia can keep back new features only for new devices or sell it at the ovi store. (something similar does Apple with a lot of success)
The freaks purchase the new devices as soon as they arrive. The average acquire a new device every 2 years with a new contract. You can't attract them with a new device every 6 month only with bugfixing.
And I'm sure, then the userbase will grow strong. At the beginning mostly linux freaks... but this are the developers of tomorrow. With a pleased community the positiv sentiment will spread itself all over the internet (blogs, chats, icq, forum, wikis and at least the old print media) and Nokia could get a self marketing device for the mass market. (look again at Apple)
It's very Important: Implementing of missing features and Bug fixing has to be done. NOKIA needs customers which speaks after 2 years about it as "great device, the best I ever had". But when they say instead: "same software problems since the beginning, not well done" they wouldn't buy the next device. If Nokia gets rid of all unfinished feeling with the software during the device lifetime the users have at the end of this time a positive feeling. They majority has the problems in the beginning forgotten and go to buy the next, new Device. Otherwise I would say rather not.
It's very easy: Happy Customer are loyal Customer!
Many N900 owners are at the moment very unsatisfied. Look at eBay! It's a great indicator. They are leaving the subsiding cruise liner. And this are not the new MeeGo customers. Not in the next few years...
My advice:
Make the Software independent. The people who wants improved Hardware (speed, camera, multitouch) has to buy a new device. And they will! The others got the fixes and Nokia can keep back new features only for new devices or sell it at the ovi store. (something similar does Apple with a lot of success)
The freaks purchase the new devices as soon as they arrive. The average acquire a new device every 2 years with a new contract. You can't attract them with a new device every 6 month only with bugfixing.
And I'm sure, then the userbase will grow strong. At the beginning mostly linux freaks... but this are the developers of tomorrow. With a pleased community the positiv sentiment will spread itself all over the internet (blogs, chats, icq, forum, wikis and at least the old print media) and Nokia could get a self marketing device for the mass market. (look again at Apple)
It's very Important: Implementing of missing features and Bug fixing has to be done. NOKIA needs customers which speaks after 2 years about it as "great device, the best I ever had". But when they say instead: "same software problems since the beginning, not well done" they wouldn't buy the next device. If Nokia gets rid of all unfinished feeling with the software during the device lifetime the users have at the end of this time a positive feeling. They majority has the problems in the beginning forgotten and go to buy the next, new Device. Otherwise I would say rather not.
It's very easy: Happy Customer are loyal Customer!
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2010-06-18
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#254
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby
Way, way, way, off topic but did you happen to have lunch @ Rocco's in Malvern, PA today and end up talking with a grungy looking old dude because we both happened to have N900's and we were actually using them as we dined?
Done.Please see bug 3257, "Voting not enabled within MeeGo Features classification".Voting is enabled on it at least.
I'm looking forward to voting on features soon.
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Ha! I've now resolved my bug above as a duplicate. Thanks!
(I appologize for this Tourette's like, OT blurt of mine. It was shared with you all here because this was my first serendipitous meeting with a fellow Maemo enthusiast and it reinforced my notion that for some, the experience may be just beginning. At the very least, we are not alone.
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2010-06-18
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Originally Posted by YoDude
No, sorry, but I ate lunch at home with my family today, far from Malvern. The only old, grungy guy around was me. Maybe another time.
Way, way, way, off topic but did you happen to have lunch @ Rocco's in Malvern, PA today and end up talking with a grungy looking old dude because we both happened to have N900's and we were actually using them as we dined?
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2010-06-18
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@ Israel
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#256
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Originally Posted by qgil
This is Maemo community first of all, and thread name has "maemo" but not "meego" in it. so why are you trying to advertise meego and try to get people to help Nokia to do their jobs, while they can't handle maemo, even left it dying, when it wasn't near to be finished. You always talking about work and progress and all posotove stuff, but it's not releated and it only sounds great - when for real it's pointless. Sorry mna, but real it's of the limits, when it pop-ups in Maemo missteps thread, where people are really angry, and it would make sense maybe if meego was official supported on N900 - but it's not, so i think most users here care to have fully working and not buggy maemo os with functional OVI store (you can find thread about money issues) and maybe than they would like to hack meego on n900 as alternative os. with all respect, but try to help here out with maemo in the first place
More steps:
The process for handling MeeGo requirements is now open. Sami explains the details at http://meego.com/community/blogs/sam...o-requirements
Basically, http://bugs.meego.com is used as the tool for proposing features and manage requirements. There is now a new classification "MeeGo Features" where new proposals must be filed.
There are already more that 240 features submitted, most of them targetting the MeeGo 1.1 release: http://bit.ly/d8lBCL
The requirements process is managed in combination with the roadmapping process: http://meego.com/developers/meego-roadmap
In Maemo we never achieved this level of open planning. There were attempts through bugs.maemo.org and then the maemo.org Brainstorm. The conclusion was that this process can only work if it's pushed directly by the real product managers, and this is how it works in MeeGo. It was also quite clear that a majority of people involved in the real work preferred the well known Bugzilla over yet another tool.
Please watch, vote and comment to the feature requests that matter you most. You are also invited to submit new proposals.
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2010-06-19
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I sure hope you're right, but this thread, along with others, give me the feeling it's too late for Maemo. Nokia's plowing forward and the best we can hope for Maemo is a few moments silence.
I feel like tugging on a rope tied to a aircraft carrier. It's just silly. Decision's been made. Maemo is dead, MeeGo is the future, and the future doesn't include us unless we fork over more dough. For how long we'll be in that future remains to be seen. Because the OS is everchanging and new versions have allergies to previous hardware.
Hey, it would be moving even faster if it weren't for those pesky users. By now Nokia could have made even more announcements, have organized even more launch parties, projected even more PowerPoint presentations and published more official looking documents with schematics and big words.
Because that's what you get when you steer a company with a guy holding a book. Textbook maneuvers, meetings, sterile marketing, official communiques, internal decisions with an up yours stamp, graphs, charts, more meetings to determine why the textbook maneuver didn't match answer b) in the damned book.
It's not final, there's always *someone* around to give us hope until the very last minute, before the decision is final and public and it's way too late to complain because 1.0 rolls out tomorrow. It's a nice strategy, if the final decision is official the day of the launch, there's no point in complaining, it's done all you do is look like a spoiled brat.
I feel like tugging on a rope tied to a aircraft carrier. It's just silly. Decision's been made. Maemo is dead, MeeGo is the future, and the future doesn't include us unless we fork over more dough. For how long we'll be in that future remains to be seen. Because the OS is everchanging and new versions have allergies to previous hardware.
Hey, it would be moving even faster if it weren't for those pesky users. By now Nokia could have made even more announcements, have organized even more launch parties, projected even more PowerPoint presentations and published more official looking documents with schematics and big words.
Because that's what you get when you steer a company with a guy holding a book. Textbook maneuvers, meetings, sterile marketing, official communiques, internal decisions with an up yours stamp, graphs, charts, more meetings to determine why the textbook maneuver didn't match answer b) in the damned book.
It's not final, there's always *someone* around to give us hope until the very last minute, before the decision is final and public and it's way too late to complain because 1.0 rolls out tomorrow. It's a nice strategy, if the final decision is official the day of the launch, there's no point in complaining, it's done all you do is look like a spoiled brat.
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2010-06-19
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#258
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Originally Posted by qgil
This is a thread on Nokia's missteps on Maemo, not about your "bright new Meego future". And why should people believe that Nokia won't keep half-assing things and leaving customers in the dust?
More steps:
The process for handling MeeGo requirements is now open. Sami explains the details at [url]http://meego.com/community/blogs
Please watch, vote and comment to the feature requests that matter you most. You are also invited to submit new proposals.
It already seems from the rpm vs. deb discussion that Meego 1 will be incompatible with Meego 2, aren't you marching on with treating customers as suckers?
I'm not planning to be fooled again by the Maemo/Meego division of Nokia.
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2010-06-19
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I'm talking about MeeGo here because most of you own N900s and the MeeGo project has something for you.
Also because developers will move to MeeGo at some point, but there are good chances that their MeeGo apps can be compiled and packaged easily for Maemo 5.
But mainly because I thought that information would be interesting in this thread. No worries, a better thread will be found for the next MeeGo updates relevant to the Maemo community.
Also because developers will move to MeeGo at some point, but there are good chances that their MeeGo apps can be compiled and packaged easily for Maemo 5.
But mainly because I thought that information would be interesting in this thread. No worries, a better thread will be found for the next MeeGo updates relevant to the Maemo community.
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2010-06-19
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Originally Posted by qgil
what exactly meego project has for us? not fully supported os, that community has to break their heads how to optify and make it happen on N900.
I'm talking about MeeGo here because most of you own N900s and the MeeGo project has something for you.
Also because developers will move to MeeGo at some point, but there are good chances that their MeeGo apps can be compiled and packaged easily for Maemo 5.
But mainly because I thought that information would be interesting in this thread. No worries, a better thread will be found for the next MeeGo updates relevant to the Maemo community.
As well as developers Nokia developers moved to Meego too early from maemo, and you just expect developers like frals and other great contributors that made apps that should be on maemo from the begging to move to develop for meego, so it would have more apps. but it's not working like that, you can't expect people developing for free, and i don't really mean money, i mean getting back support of company and contribution and help of company, that's the way if company using opensource. and even in life you get something (even trust) only when you give something. But you can't say to maemo users - to help code for meego so maybe they would get their own apps back for maemo, or other apps of meego for maemo (we all saw in nokia videos shazam on n900 and other stuff that is ready, and we still didn't get it, so should we believe any word?)
And yes we want info, but for now we would prefer maemo info, at list what is going with all bugs, why all of them are marked as WONTFIX and what about bugs we mentioned before, and applications, what about next updates, what to expect? what about issue with money on OVI store? what about sms paying issue with no user agreement in myNokia subscription and unsubscription? we expect you and would like you to talk here, don't get it wrong, but we want you to talk on issue.
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Please see bug 3257, "Voting not enabled within MeeGo Features classification".Voting is enabled on it at least.I'm looking forward to voting on features soon.
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