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@ Dan for ol time's sake
Acer may make crap (I can attest to this), though Asus is solid, and they too are entering the market (horrible screens, though). Dell is also in this space, as is Toshiba. Bottom line, the entry-level will get a lot more interesting as Asus and Acer begin to iterate.
True enough, there are some very good brands trying to jump in. I find it ironic and maybe somewhat shameful for Apple that they didn't want to be a PLATFORM OS company that enabled other companies to compete against each other the way their former competition did (ala the Windows vs MacOS wars of the 90's) and now, as history seems to begin to repeat itself, with Android. The devices and the platform itself can only get better with competition and creative participation from the whole industry.

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True enough, there are some very good brands trying to jump in. I find it ironic and maybe somewhat shameful for Apple that they didn't want to be a PLATFORM OS company that enabled other companies to compete against each other the way their former competition did (ala the Windows vs MacOS wars of the 90's) and now, as history seems to begin to repeat itself, with Android. The devices and the platform itself can only get better with competition and creative participation from the whole industry.

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@Dan because I can,

I wouldn't underestimate Amazon. They have a long track record of dominating in this type of online selling. Freebies may be a strategy in the beginning to bludgeon their way into the public's mind, but I suspect that they will soon start to have exclusives, and other compelling reasons to check out the store.

Interestingly, it is rumored that Amazon is building an Android tablet. If they can strike the same chord that the Kindle did, they will have a hit on their hands. I fully expect that the Amazon tablet will have the Amazon Store, complete with the kindle book software, and access to Amazon Music/VoD with a *single* method of payment. In the end it will have fantastic positioning and a very integrated consumption oriented experience.

The killer bit? They will advertise it right on the front of Amazon.com just as they do with the kindle, which could turn it into a runaway holiday smasher. Who knows, they may subsidize some of the price based on speculation about their media sell-through, and undercut the competition.
I just had this conversation with my brother, where the SMART idea is for SOMEBODY to build an Android tablet so different but useful that it makes everyone go, "WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF THAT?" I told him that I would LOVE for somebody (ideally Amazon, given their other products) to design an ANDROID tablet (a proper one) with a RESISTIVE touchscreen digitizer (so you can use either a stylus or finger) that uses a high resolution eInk display. It would be the most AWESOME thing for the Kindle app to run on.. and take ONSCREEN, hand-drawn notes and underlines, marks, etc. It would be able to do INCREDIBLY double-duty as a Google calendar with the ability to do hand-drawn marks, a GREAT way for artists to draw wacom-style on an eINK display with pressure-sensitivity and all (especially if the stylus can report whether the tip is being pressed or whether the blunt end is bring pressed (i.e. pen/pencil/spray vs immediate eraser). Since it's an Android tablet, it COULD run/do anything a tablet could do (although playing video would be awkwardy slow--but they HAVE managed to get around upwards of at least 15fps with eInk lately). The eInk guys have even recently begun making COLOR eInk screens (although the few devices made seem to make it look like it's a bit washed out--but it's still early).

Imagine the INCREDIBLE battery life on such a tablet!
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Suddenly, now, I imagined a handset phone with an inner shell made of nothing but eInk display (flat on all sides on the inner display, but a simple contoured smooth outer-shell surface on the outside acting as a magnifier, shaped similar to Palm WebOS phones), and a capacitive touchscreen surface all over on the outside. Best of all, because it's entirely nothing but eInk display, you could (by software) decide whether to have a black phone, a white phone, or any kind of a design all over the phone. Suddenly makes choose your desktop wallpaper on your current Android phone look stupid now, doesn't it? ...oh my God... ANIMATED SHELL!

Apple people! You can have your choice of WHITE... or BLACK with ANY unit!! Also, it can tell you when you're holding it wrong.
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@dan no offense, but I suspect we are both outliers and don't represent the mainstream very well

I might actually use amazon to search for apps, but would likely buy/download from the google marketplace. Probably 1/4 to 1/3 of the apps I've tried recently have been via remote download. Very nice feature.

Doodle hop plays nicely on my tablet. Kinda fun. Might be a little more difficult on a phone, due to screen size.

Group type games could be very interesting, D&D, FPS, racing, etc No need to drag computers, monitors, etc to a get together, just bring a tablet. You could have sessions just about anywhere, on short notice even.
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Ok when are about 3-4 of you going to get together and launch a startup android tablet like dan is talking about? Don't forget about all the stock apps that we've discussed here that aren't out anywhere else yet?

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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
I just had this conversation with my brother, where the SMART idea is for SOMEBODY to build an Android tablet so different but useful that it makes everyone go, "WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF THAT?" I told him that I would LOVE for somebody (ideally Amazon, given their other products) to design an ANDROID tablet (a proper one) with a RESISTIVE touchscreen digitizer (so you can use either a stylus or finger) that uses a high resolution eInk display. It would be the most AWESOME thing for the Kindle app to run on.. and take ONSCREEN, hand-drawn notes and underlines, marks, etc. It would be able to do INCREDIBLY double-duty as a Google calendar with the ability to do hand-drawn marks, a GREAT way for artists to draw wacom-style on an eINK display with pressure-sensitivity and all (especially if the stylus can report whether the tip is being pressed or whether the blunt end is bring pressed (i.e. pen/pencil/spray vs immediate eraser). Since it's an Android tablet, it COULD run/do anything a tablet could do (although playing video would be awkwardy slow--but they HAVE managed to get around upwards of at least 15fps with eInk lately). The eInk guys have even recently begun making COLOR eInk screens (although the few devices made seem to make it look like it's a bit washed out--but it's still early).

Imagine the INCREDIBLE battery life on such a tablet!
I think this is a good idea, but I'm personally not a fan of resistive in the least.

What I *would* do, though, is go Pixel Qi for the display, and choose an active digitizer for input.

A Pixel Qi display gives the option to turn off the backlight, and thus save tons of the power of conventional LCDs with a very e-ink looking display. It's not quite e-ink, but the tablet should have epic battery life (eg. Notion Ink Adam is said to get insane battery life with the backlight off).

There's also some promising display technology from Mirasol, though it doesn't seem ready for market.

With an active digitizer, only the pen tip registers, so if your hand is on the screen, it doesn't screw things up. In this way it's extremely potent, quick, and accurate for writing and as a genuine art tool. The additional benefits of active digitizers are that they can register pressure very accurately as well as pen 'tilt' for different pens/brushes (eg. calligraphy).

There is some powerful software that works well with Digitizers

Take a look at Wacom's Cintiq (imagine on a smaller scale):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVHEFk-s_0E

I think pen input would be *huge* for students, business, and artists. The key here is the software. You would need very competent tools that allow for annotation, note-taking, and artistry -- and not in a gimmicky way, but extremely useful tools (low latency for immediate input response). The only one that I can think of for art, is a program called ArtRage. Here's a video.
 

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Originally Posted by lemmyslender View Post
Group type games could be very interesting, D&D, FPS, racing, etc No need to drag computers, monitors, etc to a get together, just bring a tablet. You could have sessions just about anywhere, on short notice even.
FPS seems like it could be well done using the gyro for quick aiming in place of the mouse. There would be a learning curve, and I don't expect a 1 to 1 mapping of physical movement to on-screen movement, but I suspect that it could work if done right and contend with the mouse. Of course your arms would probably get tired holding the tablet up.*
* I used to play a LOT of FPS.

Of course Android supports keyboard and mouse, so traditional controls are possible.

I really like the idea of co-op gaming. The iPad does this, though I've not seen a really cool usage of the tech. The again, I don't know too much about iPad gaming!
 

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Suddenly, now, I imagined a handset phone with an inner shell made of nothing but eInk display (flat on all sides on the inner display, but a simple contoured smooth outer-shell surface on the outside acting as a magnifier, shaped similar to Palm WebOS phones), and a capacitive touchscreen surface all over on the outside. Best of all, because it's entirely nothing but eInk display, you could (by software) decide whether to have a black phone, a white phone, or any kind of a design all over the phone. Suddenly makes choose your desktop wallpaper on your current Android phone look stupid now, doesn't it? ...oh my God... ANIMATED SHELL!

Apple people! You can have your choice of WHITE... or BLACK with ANY unit!! Also, it can tell you when you're holding it wrong.
This is indeed a cool concept. The phone that has adaptable skins... Very nice indeed!

Take it a step further, and have a phone that has capacitive touch sensors on the side, so that when you pick it up, it wakes up automatically, and goes to sleep when you let it go. No more timers. Of course, there would be a power button for times when you're wearing gloves.

Also, make the entire face the display. Whatever has to be done to eliminate the bezel, do it!
 

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AUGMENTED REALITY to those games... the host system could provide the basis for a very accurate playing field that your own handset's display could overlay pieces onto or statistics, etc. Let's also not forget the front-facing camera and opportunity to place YOU in the game's pieces/environment right in front of you and your fellow players.
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