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	Capt'n Corrupt	2011-03-28 , 11:53
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Originally Posted by danramos

You clearly missed how Linux and open-source have COMPLETELY destroyed the server and handset markets! Thank GOD the desktop market was saved from that onerous open-source operating system!

Not to mention the videogame console market (wii/ps3)... Yes it seems that OSS has been a great evil that has drained the wealth (and I dare say, life) out of the electronics industry with free products. Yuk.

Not to mention that touchscreen computing (and computing in general) has been used for decades--and they've been evolving steps at a time--not so much innovating whole leaps at a time as he seems to want you to think Apple does. Most of what Apple did with the iPad was already being done in some form or another either by someone else or themselves already. The next thing that comes along is ALWAYS a little like the last one. Anyone remember how you had to slide to unlock a Palm phone? Multiple desktops on the Palm OS goes back a LOOONG way. Hell--Apple even did a lot of these touchscreen things back with the Newton. I'd like to know if he came out swinging the same way when EVERY graphical OS in the late 80's and into the 90's had a windowed desktop OS with office metaphors (trashcans, folders, etc., like the MacOS, Windows, GEM, Geos, etc.) when we all know they were copycats too (Xerox PARC). To their credit, every OS pretty much tried to create their own spin on a good idea. This was a GOOD thing.

Precisely. I wasn't aware of the palm slide-lock, though I do remember X Windows having multiple desktops for *ages* as well as borderless apps that strangely resembled widgets. Also a multi-paned displays are certainly nothing new, as I remember console applications that used them (ah midnight commander, my old friend).

PS. I *remember* GEM desktop! I thought I was the only one.

To Apple's credit, of late they have been implementing some of these ideas in a very clean and functional way. In this way, they are innovating. But then again so are the other big players for many things!

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	danramos	2011-03-28 , 14:57
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt

PS. I *remember* GEM desktop! I thought I was the only one.

You probably didn't catch, somewhere else in the forum threads, that I used to be a registered third-party developer with Atari Corp., back in the 90's. So I used to write software for Atari 8-bit and Atari ST/STe/TT/Falcon/etc., the latter series coming with a combined TOS/GEM operating system (TOS in ROM chips which would provide the combined BIOS/DOS functionality along with a DEC licensed GEM GUI). Man, I can tell you a lot of stupid, uselessly outdated details about those systems.

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2011-03-28 , 15:18
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I guess this one was obvious. Android users are going to have swipe to pay via NFC really, really soon.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/27/g...-payment-demo/

Android becomes more and more enticing each day. This is a killer feature, which promises to make paying for goods/services a bit easier!

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2011-03-28 , 15:20
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Originally Posted by danramos

You probably didn't catch, somewhere else in the forum threads, that I used to be a registered third-party developer with Atari Corp., back in the 90's. So I used to write software for Atari 8-bit and Atari ST/STe/TT/Falcon/etc., the latter series coming with a combined TOS/GEM operating system (TOS in ROM chips which would provide the combined BIOS/DOS functionality along with a DEC licensed GEM GUI). Man, I can tell you a lot of stupid, uselessly outdated details about those systems.

I don't know what the $%@^ you're talking about, but it seems as though you know what you're saying.

In all seriousness, that's pretty cool. What types of software did you write (if you don't mind my asking)?

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2011-03-28 , 15:37
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I think a *wonderful* Android project would bridge traditional Desktop Linux with Android for apps in both directions.

The idea would be the ability to pull/use debian repos, as well as fill dependencies for userland applications (including an X client already). It would also provide a dalvik interpreter and the necessary shared libs for traditional Linux flavours. The idea is to simplify porting, or eliminate the need for it!

It may be a niche concept, but it would work towards consolidation of capability between these two systems! It would be lovely to use the Tab 8.9 as a netbook of sorts for general productivity, with a slim and portable keyboard! When Cortex A15 rolls around, these tablets will have the power to be able to replace our laptops.

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2011-03-28 , 15:44
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Amazon is marching HARD into the mobile computing space.

It seems that they are preparing a consumer cloud-storage solution:

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/03/ama...e-empt-apples/

Depending on their pricing and security features, this may be very compelling as network speeds/bandwidth inevitably increase.

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	danramos	2011-03-28 , 16:01
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt

I guess this one was obvious. Android users are going to have swipe to pay via NFC really, really soon.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/27/g...-payment-demo/

Android becomes more and more enticing each day. This is a killer feature, which promises to make paying for goods/services a bit easier!

I dunno... in general, this gives me an eerie feeling that I don't like. Additionally, I REALLY don't trust anything Citi gets involved in.

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt

I don't know what the $%@^ you're talking about, but it seems as though you know what you're saying.

Hah!

Well, this might explain some of the stuff I mentioned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_TOS ...Atari computers were my world for most of my life up until my early 20's when I finally started moving into Amiga and IBM/PC Clones(XT/AT, 286 at the time).

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt

In all seriousness, that's pretty cool. What types of software did you write (if you don't mind my asking)?

Whatever I needed to write, really. I mainly scratched my itches and then released them as shareware--it was also my big foray into reading VERY deeply into copyright law and how it pertained to open-source, freeware, shareware, etc. and the legal differences between them. I think I released SOMETHING as just about every one of these licenses. I wrote an Atari 8-bit TurboBASIC based BBS system called TinyBBS as my first built-from-scratch BBS system that I released as public domain, for example, just to see what would happen with that. I think that was before I realized that GPL would have been a better fit if I wanted to see what happens (public domain gives you NO visibility since anyone could just close up your code on you within their own product). I think my favorite was a little Shareware app I wrote called MODcat that I wrote for the group I was a part of (the Western Massachusetts Atari Users' Group) so that we could all easily catalog SWATHS of discs full of MOD music files. I write a VERY VERY fast way to auto-detect the disc popping in and out, reading large volumes of files to get just the fields I needed, and unique-sorting catalogs VERY rapidly and being able to export a catalog of your music files. Ah the early 90's and those simpler times.

I dabbled a bit in writing LHA/LZH/ZIP archiving tools too--but I don't think I ever released any of it. (Except to a beta tester friend of mine in Texas that I used to let test out my stuff.)

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt

I think a *wonderful* Android project would bridge traditional Desktop Linux with Android for apps in both directions.

The idea would be the ability to pull/use debian repos, as well as fill dependencies for userland applications (including an X client already). It would also provide a dalvik interpreter and the necessary shared libs for traditional Linux flavours. The idea is to simplify porting, or eliminate the need for it!

It may be a niche concept, but it would work towards consolidation of capability between these two systems! It would be lovely to use the Tab 8.9 as a netbook of sorts for general productivity, with a slim and portable keyboard! When Cortex A15 rolls around, these tablets will have the power to be able to replace our laptops.

Sounds like MeeGo with a Dalvik VM.

Lardman? Any news? heh

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	danramos	2011-03-28 , 16:03
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt

Amazon is marching HARD into the mobile computing space.

It seems that they are preparing a consumer cloud-storage solution:

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/03/ama...e-empt-apples/

Depending on their pricing and security features, this may be very compelling as network speeds/bandwidth inevitably increase.

This might be quashed by bandwidth caps, though. As technology WANTS to march forward, the oldschool grumps at the cable and telephone companies want to put a halt to the idea of carrying around little devices that stream all their data around (like cloud computing and video streaming and audio, etc.).

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2011-03-28 , 16:10
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Originally Posted by danramos

This might be quashed by bandwidth caps, though. As technology WANTS to march forward, the oldschool grumps at the cable and telephone companies want to put a halt to the idea of carrying around little devices that stream all their data around (like cloud computing and video streaming and audio, etc.).

Yes, I was very careful with my wording. Speeds/bandwidth will increase, such is the march of technology. How quickly this will happen seems to be contingent on politics more than technological capability.

However, depending on amazon's pricing, remote stores for purchased data will be relevant today. It would be nice if someone proposed a standard to make these systems interoperable. eg. If I purchase an Google Book, it would be nice to be able to store it in my Amazon data locker.

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2011-03-28 , 16:13
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Originally Posted by danramos

Sounds like MeeGo with a Dalvik VM. Lardman? Any news? heh

Indeed, and the other way around as well: GNU/Linux on Android.

Here's the latest of Lardman's efforts:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2520&page=4