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2007-09-11 , 21:33
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Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
Indeed, you are right and no one who is credible would seriously propose a deal between Sprint and Skype or any VoIP provider. But it is quite possible that, with the next generation Nokia IT, you will be able to use Skype or VoIP on Sprint WiMax. Not because of any intention or desire by Sprint for that to happen, but through the backdoor sort to speak because it will be possible with the Nokia IT.
Nokia deals with Sprint and then Nokia deals with Skype. Sprint can't do a damn thing if Nokia decides to make deals with Skype - or any other VoIP provider - on a device Sprint's already trumpeting in the press as operating on their Wi-Max network.
I never said Sprint would talk to Skype directly but if they were smart they would get off their asses and do so after the new Wi-Max-enabled tablet is released.
Have all of you suddenly forgotten about the RTCOMM VoIP beta going on right now? You know, the same RTCOMM that will wind up being deployed in the next N800 firmware update as well as going on the new Wi-Max-enabled internet tablets from Nokia?

Originally Posted by ysss
My point is that voice traffic is still the bread and butter of mobile operators. To make any sort of deals with VOIP companies is seen as a step to cannibalize their main product.
You're unable to separate the VOICE network built by Sprint with the DATA network built by Sprint. Wi-Max is currently marketed/publicized as DATA only (think "VoIP" here) whereas CDMA is VOICE and DATA.
Does one need a CDMA voice plan to use Wi-Max? Nope. Is Sprint going to force purchasers of an Wi-Max N800 to also buy ANOTHER device and a voice phone plan in order to use Wi-Max? Phuck no, the backlash would terminate everything in that area.
Or do all of Sprint's voice plans now throw in unlimited data at no extra charge?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
Your point might have been valid last year, but no longer.

Originally Posted by ysss
They're not even doing any profit sharing schemes to cellphone producers right now, let alone VOIP providers whom are seen as their direct competitors (of a subset of their product).
Gee, I think AT&T proved that it's "possible" to do such things and actually INCREASE their profit margins while doing so.

Originally Posted by ysss
PS: I'm sorry I didn't follow suit on going down your route doing personal attack and all the negativity. I don't see how that helps with the discussion.
You started when you began making smartass comments about driving a car off a cliff so I decided to bundle your arguments in the trunk of said car as it drove past.
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Well maybe Mr. T hacked the game, and made a mowhawk class? And maybe Mr. T is pretty handy with computers? Had that occurred to you Mr. Condescending Director?
 
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2007-09-11 , 21:48
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#262
Longest thread ever.


iBall, you're going to have a hernia. You argue with so much conviction, almost at a zealous level, when it comes to the N800 and defense of the IT platform.

Anything that is brought up as a negative towards your precious tablet, you come up with an incredible (and oddly skewed) reason as to how they are wrong.

I'll place your logic in parenthesis. (oh noes!)

Wifi access points (oh just hack them! zomg! which you do on your laptop.... heh)

iPhone (all the screens are bad, just google it. blogs are truth!)

WiMax (everyone is wrong, because wireless providers have always shaped their business in our best interests as consumers! lol... ringtones)

Marketing (its so easy to hack a new kernel into your new N800! you can have your rss feeds disappear! your email client will randomly lose its ability to function! you can use a screwed up alpha web browser that mangles text input, and requires ini changes for easy scrolling!) perfect 30 second spot for the IT.

I'll even quote!

Originally Posted by iBall
Odd....I can adjust the volume and pause music on my N800 without having to look at it.
Can that be done on the iPhone/Touch?
Sure it can. You just argue, for the sake of arguing. Stop being myopic and have a 2 sided conversation. Talking with you is like talking to a wall.
 
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2007-09-11 , 22:37
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Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
Longest thread ever.
I agree.

Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
iBall, you're going to have a hernia. You argue with so much conviction, almost at a zealous level, when it comes to the N800 and defense of the IT platform.

Anything that is brought up as a negative towards your precious tablet, you come up with an incredible (and oddly skewed) reason as to how they are wrong.
Obviously you haven't read my signature lately...

Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
I'll place your logic in parenthesis. (oh noes!)
*cracks knuckles and chuckles*
Oh, by all means go right ahead.

Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
Wifi access points (oh just hack them! zomg! which you do on your laptop.... heh)
Wrong, otherwise you'd take the time to actually QUOTE me.

Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
iPhone (all the screens are bad, just google it. blogs are truth!)
Wrong again. Go read Apple's actual support forums!

Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
WiMax (everyone is wrong, because wireless providers have always shaped their business in our best interests as consumers! lol... ringtones)
Now where the phuck did I EVER say that? I'm speaking from a strict business-to-business viewpoint.

Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
Marketing (its so easy to hack a new kernel into your new N800! you can have your rss feeds disappear! your email client will randomly lose its ability to function! you can use a screwed up alpha web browser that mangles text input, and requires ini changes for easy scrolling!) perfect 30 second spot for the IT.
I think I've already said many, many, many, many, many, many times that Nokia needs a kick in the jimmy when it comes to marketing.
Again, I must refer you to my signature...

Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
I'll even quote!
About phucking time you did. Too bad that has NOTHING to do with your points above.

Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
Sure it can. You just argue, for the sake of arguing. Stop being myopic and have a 2 sided conversation. Talking with you is like talking to a wall.
Did they teach reading comprehension in the schools you went to?
Obviously not because you would soon see where I although I do love the Nokia Internet Tablet line as it currently exists, Nokia has made a schitt-load of bumbles and errors in actually MARKETING the tablet.
Show me where Apple has done ANYTHING to promote free and open source software outside of giving away Xcode on the Mac OS X install DVD?
It's one thing to create great products, it's another to make developing for those products next to impossible. Nokia allows devs to freely code not only for the N800 but their S60 line of cell phones too.
Now look 5-10 years down the road...which company's devices are people going to want to code for?
The one with the free SDK. At the moment that's not Apple for all the dumbest reasons in the world. If "stability" issues were really the main reason Apple's not officially promoting third-party application development then why the phuck does no other phone manufacturer on the planet support that?
Don't even try to say it's because the iPhone is somehow more stable than any other cell phone on the planet because it's not. Even dedicated Apple fanboi Leo Laporte has said that his crashes/reboots every once in a while, particularly in the first few weeks he owned it. Other reports have been posted as well across the internet, not just on "blogs" but on Apple's own support forums.
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Originally Posted by Mr. T
Well maybe Mr. T hacked the game, and made a mowhawk class? And maybe Mr. T is pretty handy with computers? Had that occurred to you Mr. Condescending Director?
 
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*begins popping some Orville Redenbacher's*
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
*begins popping some Orville Redenbacher's*
*grabs a soda and passes Tex the butter and salt*
 
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Gotta go easy on the salt, and do you have any of that allegedly-good-for-you-margarine?
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Will "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" do? My mommy... er, wife makes me use that stuff.
 
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2007-09-12 , 00:50
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1. Wifi access points (oh just hack them! zomg! which you do on your laptop.... heh)
Originally Posted by iBall
Wrong, otherwise you'd take the time to actually QUOTE me.
Originally Posted by iBall
I also consider WEP-protected wi-fi APs to be "free and open" since I can usually crack them wide-open in a few minutes with my laptop.
Packet injection FTW!
2. iPhone (all the screens are bad, just google it. blogs are truth!)
Originally Posted by iBall
Wrong again. Go read Apple's actual support forums!
"...Not widespread"

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/09/a...screen-issues/

Apple proactively found users and replaced their phones immediately NEXT DAY SHIPPING. Not 30+ Days later like Nokia. Nokia LOST my tablet after 34 days and decided to send me a new one.

3. Marketing (its so easy to hack a new kernel into your new N800! you can have your rss feeds disappear! your email client will randomly lose its ability to function! you can use a screwed up alpha web browser that mangles text input, and requires ini changes for easy scrolling!) perfect 30 second spot for the IT.


Originally Posted by iBall
I think I've already said many, many, many, many, many, many times that Nokia needs a kick in the jimmy when it comes to marketing.
Again, I must refer you to my signature...
Market what? I'll help Nokia make a few advertisements for the N800.

"Visit YouTube. Don't hit play though, make sure its done streaming or else you'll have a 3-4fps slide show!."

"If you want an up to date browser, go ahead and install microb (FROM THE MAKERS OF FIREFOX). Unfortunately, you can't scroll correctly... it will just jump around to text fields and crash miserably on dynamic sites like jellyfish."

"Your email on the go! Once. Then thats about it."

"Get all your favorite news from your favorite sites! Twice. Then it disappears."

"Sync all your favorite music and podcas.... oh nevermind."

"Install GPE Suite so you can have contacts, but don't worry about syncing them though! Its so much better to have everything out of sync. Say hello to old friends you never thought you'd call!"

"Watch your favorite videos! Just make a few tweaks to your kernel so you can avoid terrible tearing."

4.
Originally Posted by iBall
Even dedicated Apple fanboi Leo Laporte has said that his crashes/reboots every once in a while, particularly in the first few weeks he owned it. Other reports have been posted as well across the internet, not just on "blogs" but on Apple's own support forums.
Patched and fixed. Within 3 weeks. Lets not get started on IT2006 updates.
 
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That's some serious device hate ya got going there, man.

That's okay. I felt the same way about my old 1980 Cutlass. Shudder.
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2007-09-12 , 03:14
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
That's some serious device hate ya got going there, man.

That's okay. I felt the same way about my old 1980 Cutlass. Shudder.
Lol. I haven't had the best experience with the N800.

Its got wonderful potential, but the iPhone is my current "teddy bear".
 
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