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Originally Posted by Lumiaman
Heh, Lumiaman, tell me what the current stock price is? (compared to what it was just before the N9 was released).
Oh my, oh my. Again: what is Nokia trying to do- make profit. How will they make profit: they need idiot proof devices that are part of a good ecosystem. Was meego or Maemo a contender: Never. Nokia is not a software company so what they do: they join the next logical system. Elop did the best thing he could do.
Going by your logic, about Elop doing the best thing he could do, you mean to say had Nokia stuck with MeeGo, or adopted Android, their stock price would be even lower than it currently is? A company's success is judged on it's share value.
Face the facts - Elop made the worst decision he possibly could have made. Look at the stock price. Look at the cash burn rate. Look at the extremely poor Lumia sales. Enough said
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2012-09-10
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Idiot proof? There's dumbing things down and then there's WP7. I know, it's ironic because I've stated that I actually like WP7 (me stupid, har har) but even I know that compared to the geek-fest of Linux lovin' the N900 was, and to a much lesser extent the N9, folks here don't want an idiot proofed device.
They want control. You're preaching to a group that is not the standard Nokia buyer. Most here are developers, nerds, geeks and combinations therein.
You want to preach about how WP7's ecosystem is a good one? I beg to differ. Compared to iOS and Android, it's still lacking key elements from top ranked 3rd party support that just has yet to appear. And it's a very closed, very walled garden of isolation that requires you to fall into a less open playing field than even iTunes.
Maemo was not a contender. MeeGo could have been one if Nokia and Intel were on the same page. WP7/WP8 should be a contender, but it invariably will not be one either. So far, Microsoft has had almost 3 years to do something with WP7. Nothing happened. So they deadend the devices sold, say that WP8 will be better.
Sorry, but that's what Nokia did with Maemo. It didn't work out too well for them and that lead to MeeGo gaining very little traction. Intel's moved on to Tizen, which cannot be upgraded from MeeGo, so yet again you have a string of devices that rely on customer faith.
None exist for Microsoft. Less is existing for Nokia per day. Your "better ecosystem" mantra has yielded the most severely limited ecosystem out there. Better than Maemo/MeeGo? Only if you like being limited even moreso than the other mobile OS's out there, then yeah... success?
I know you've relegated yourself to resident troll, but seriously dude. Even from a person that uses a Lumia 900 daily, I feel the restrictions of that ecosystem the moment I use my Android tablet or iPad. I feel even more restricted when I travel overseas and I carry my Nokia N9. I can - via a free tweak - turn on wifi tethering and get my iPad on. Had to do so while at stuck at the airport. Can't do that without having to pay for it on my Lumia 900. Screw that...
That's just one thing. There's many more. But what you're spouting, you cannot believe all of it yourself. I know better.
I know who hangs here, and these are the 0.0001% fringers that will not make Nokia money. Hence, what people want on this forum is in many ways selfish, as ordinary man and woman don't want it. Most people will pay rather than learn how to tether using a tweak that they have no idea how to implement. You know that just as well.
Nokia needs to make money. Meego will never cut it, it was beta at release time. Elop saw WP8 as a way to cut thru the incompetence of Nokia in creating what masses want. Hey, I thought that N900 was beautiful, still is. But it requires toooo much tweaking for an average person. People want the device to work out of the box. They got jobs to do , presentations to make, kids to drive to school. They don't want to deal with Xterminal to fix their problems. That is why I sold my three N9s. I gave them away to others and unanimously friends returned them, for all the complaints listed by many here.
Nokia is not a software company. They can't compete with the Sillicon Valley. It's over. In terms of software they are a second division team.
So what is left do Nokia? All I hear here is Elop hate. It's misdirected, shallow and myopic. Elop has to produce profit with a company that can't make software for the masses.
Give solutions here, not just Elop bashing diatribes.
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2012-09-10
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman
Won't lie, we agree here. Selfish is brought upon mostly by having to deal with walled gardens and limited ecosystems that give us less control and demand more of our money. That's not a sustainable ecosystem honestly. Even iTunes had to diversify to keep people interested.
...what people want on this forum is in many ways selfish...
Elop saw WP8 as a way to cut thru the incompetence of Nokia in creating what masses want.
Nokia is not a software company.
Elop killed Symbian, laid off all of the MeeGo people, killed a lot of their software devs, kept a few that are churning out decent WP7 projects and your stance is quite flawed in that one aspect.
All I hear here is Elop hate. It's misdirected, shallow and myopic. Elop has to produce profit with a company that can't make software for the masses.
That's almost as bad as the Osborne effect. He talked about what was wrong, what they were not going to sell any longer, didn't say what they had in the wings. He offered nothing, not even an upgraded version.
Give solutions here, not just Elop bashing diatribes.
Thus the vitriol. Nothing has worked to help Nokia so far yet brought up by Elop. Time for a switch man. Do something new or different.
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2012-09-10
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if selling doesn't go up, Elop is history next year. However even if he gets fired its to late change strategy now. So there is only one way for them and that is not loose more customers.
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Originally Posted by Dared
Heh, Lumiaman, tell me what the current stock price is? (compared to what it was just before the N9 was released).
Going by your logic, about Elop doing the best thing he could do, you mean to say had Nokia stuck with MeeGo, or adopted Android, their stock price would be even lower than it currently is? A company's success is judged on it's share value.
Face the facts - Elop made the worst decision he possibly could have made. Look at the stock price. Look at the cash burn rate. Look at the extremely poor Lumia sales. Enough said
I don't think you guys get it. Nokia was successful before real competition showed up. Once android and iOS showed up, Nokia became history. History. They were seizing upon inteoduction of iphone. They knew since 2007 that they had to convert Symbian to touch phone, and they couldn't do it. They couldn't do it. And they still can't. Did you try out Symbian Belle...it's so uncompetitive. Symbian was dead after that. Very dead. Muy dead. Deep six dead. Yes, Nokia could have gone Android. Perhaps they would have done better with it. But nothing they had in house was a solution. They were beaten by superior forces and execution. Sometimes you got to look deep inside yourself and decide what am I good at it. They lost the software war. Will they lose the hardware war? And Elop has nothing to do with it .
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2012-09-10
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman
Oh he did have everything to do with it. Nokia lost the war with Symbian, they didn't with MeeGo. Elop killed it on release. The customers didn't kill it, the carriers didn't kill it, Elop killed it. Plain and simple. MeeGo never entered the "war", so it had no chance of winning with Elop at the helm.
I don't think you guys get it. Nokia was successful before real competition showed up. Once android and iOS showed up, Nokia became history. History. They were seizing upon inteoduction of iphone. They knew since 2007 that they had to convert Symbian to touch phone, and they couldn't do it. They couldn't do it. And they still can't. Did you try out Symbian Belle...it's so uncompetitive. Symbian was dead after that. Very dead. Muy dead. Deep six dead. Yes, Nokia could have gone Android. Perhaps they would have done better with it. But nothing they had in house was a solution. They were beaten by superior forces and execution. Sometimes you got to look deep inside yourself and decide what am I good at it. They lost the software war. Will they lose the hardware war? And Elop has nothing to do with it .
But I forgot your reasoning is severely skewed and flawed, so this is where i'll stop
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2012-09-10
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The tag team lumias will hit the street in November. That will give IdiotPhone almost a months head start. When nokia realize that the will speed up the release date for selected markets 
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2012-09-10
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman
Er ... my N9 does wifi tethering out of the box. No tweaking necessary. I believe the limitation is only in the US
Most people will pay rather than learn how to tether using a tweak that they have no idea how to implement.
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Meanwhile, in Helsinki:
Seems Helsinki Nok1V stock price picks up just about where it stopped Friday.
Seems Helsinki Nok1V stock price picks up just about where it stopped Friday.
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They want control. You're preaching to a group that is not the standard Nokia buyer. Most here are developers, nerds, geeks and combinations therein.
You want to preach about how WP7's ecosystem is a good one? I beg to differ. Compared to iOS and Android, it's still lacking key elements from top ranked 3rd party support that just has yet to appear. And it's a very closed, very walled garden of isolation that requires you to fall into a less open playing field than even iTunes.
Maemo was not a contender. MeeGo could have been one if Nokia and Intel were on the same page. WP7/WP8 should be a contender, but it invariably will not be one either. So far, Microsoft has had almost 3 years to do something with WP7. Nothing happened. So they deadend the devices sold, say that WP8 will be better.
Sorry, but that's what Nokia did with Maemo. It didn't work out too well for them and that lead to MeeGo gaining very little traction. Intel's moved on to Tizen, which cannot be upgraded from MeeGo, so yet again you have a string of devices that rely on customer faith.
None exist for Microsoft. Less is existing for Nokia per day. Your "better ecosystem" mantra has yielded the most severely limited ecosystem out there. Better than Maemo/MeeGo? Only if you like being limited even moreso than the other mobile OS's out there, then yeah... success?
I know you've relegated yourself to resident troll, but seriously dude. Even from a person that uses a Lumia 900 daily, I feel the restrictions of that ecosystem the moment I use my Android tablet or iPad. I feel even more restricted when I travel overseas and I carry my Nokia N9. I can - via a free tweak - turn on wifi tethering and get my iPad on. Had to do so while at stuck at the airport. Can't do that without having to pay for it on my Lumia 900. Screw that...
That's just one thing. There's many more. But what you're spouting, you cannot believe all of it yourself. I know better.