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Originally Posted by gerbick
Its not odd. I hope so too. Tizen is as important as jolla.
What's odd, I actually hope that both are successful in taking away attention from Android and iOS.
But Google IO is one week before them both, so that will invariably eclipse them both.
Don't think I is a real attention stealer from tizen and jolla announcements since the don't really play the same game. In fact, might even get more readers to the articles about sailfish and tizen.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
If I'm a reporter or boss of one, and have to budget coverage for one or the other.. I'd rather go to the Google IO or Samsung events LONG before looking at Jolla. If somebody is trying to eclipse the other, and it turns out Jolla is trying to steal focus away, I would bet against them succeeding at all.
What's odd, I actually hope that both are successful in taking away attention from Android and iOS.
But Google IO is one week before them both, so that will invariably eclipse them both.
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Originally Posted by danramos
Sure, it's pretty obvious that mind-share for Tizen is higher than Nemo/Sailfish in mainstream media*, whether it's warranted or not.
If I'm a reporter or boss of one, and have to budget coverage for one or the other.. I'd rather go to the Google IO or Samsung events LONG before looking at Jolla. If somebody is trying to eclipse the other, and it turns out Jolla is trying to steal focus away, I would bet against them succeeding at all.
That bubble can burst quite quickly though, depending on how the complete packages compare in the coming months...
From a technical & governance POV Sailfish has been more interesting for the longest time, but it ultimately comes down to how well it's all tied together.
Tizen had at least 4mth head start & has been backed by 2 massive organisations**, assuming both products are out at roughly the same time, I'd expect Tizen to be more polished OOTB.
Better offering overall is another matter entirely though, that won't become much clearer until both devices have been out for at least 1mth.
Longer-term if barely anyone else rolls out low to high end Tizen devices, then at least Samsung can keep churning them out.
Jolla doesn't have that luxury, they'll have to rely on more OEM partners stepping-up & joining the Sailfish Alliance....
*this is after all the project that managed to insert into mainstream lore that it's the successor to MeeGo
**although one of them has become increasingly passive for some time now
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A tizen powered galaxy s3 would be enough to kick off nicely. Can't se how jolla could get something like that put toghter but let's hope I'm wrong.
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How open is tizen as a platform, is it possible and easy to install the standard gnu tools and utilities to it, or is it crippled the way android is?
For me tha most important thing is how the device behaves on the console level, the UI is not that important.
For me tha most important thing is how the device behaves on the console level, the UI is not that important.
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Originally Posted by juiceme
It's wide open if you have the skills...
How open is tizen as a platform, is it possible and easy to install the standard gnu tools and utilities to it, or is it crippled the way android is?
For me tha most important thing is how the device behaves on the console level, the UI is not that important.
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Originally Posted by Dave999
It's not actually, this has been explained in quite a bit of detail before, why just blatantly make things up.
It's wide open if you have the skills...
At this point it's probably worse than Android*, it's certainly not "wide open"...
*even Sailfish (not Nemo) is for now, until we hear the full story
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Oh, sorry. It's completely closed!
It's not actually, this has been explained in quite a bit of detail before, why just blatantly make things up.
At this point it's probably worse than Android, it's certainly not "wide open"...
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Originally Posted by jalyst
I think maybe you missed the thread of the conversation I was addressing: If Jolla has the idea to try to steal attention away from Samsung or Google I/O, I sincerely doubt they will succeed. To that end, it might even make them look bad because 1) it's obvious that they're trying to steal attention and 2) if fewer people turn up at their event or even pay attention to their announcement, they will have ruined their opportunity to capture a larger crowd when they HAVE some availability instead of making them choose one over the other event.
Sure, it's pretty obvious that mind-share for Tizen is higher than Nemo/Sailfish in mainstream media*, whether it's warranted or not.
That bubble can burst quite quickly though, depending on how the complete packages compare in the coming months...
From a technical & governance POV Sailfish has been more interesting for the longest time, but it ultimately comes down to how well it's all tied together.
Tizen had at least 4mth head start & has been backed by 2 massive organisations**, assuming both products are out at roughly the same time, I'd expect Tizen to be more polished OOTB.
Better offering overall is another matter entirely though, that won't become much clearer until both devices have been out for at least 1mth.
Longer-term if barely anyone else rolls out low to high end Tizen devices, then at least Samsung can keep churning them out.
Jolla doesn't have that luxury, they'll have to rely on more OEM partners stepping-up & joining the Sailfish Alliance....
*this is after all the project that managed to insert into mainstream lore that it's the successor to MeeGo
**although one of them has become increasingly passive for some time now
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But Google IO is one week before them both, so that will invariably eclipse them both.