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#2891
Actually ...that is a pretty logical idea...the fire ant floating ball...extremely cool.....but the key word is floating...for humans ...floating means air in lungs..the ability to keep water out ..and that means very specific internal muscular control..as well as swimming. When you die you lose that. A drowned person does resurface 2wice...due to gas and residual air in the lungs... after the 2nd they don't tend to come back up. Zombies though would be able to walk the bottom of the Strait to the coast faster than I could swim it ...so it's possible they would be waiting for me... which I didn't actually initially think of.

Now....if you fill a zombie up with air or helium and then cork them at both ends (!) you then could easily have a floating zombies...very...very upset ones I'm sure. Pack and distend a zombie with something like ALOT of helium...and you could technically have a Zombie Dirigible or as I have now just coined the new dangerous zombie type ...the "Zomgible" ...tie some cables around one or a gaggle of them ...which now becomes a messed up concept... harness that sucker ....wow..that's messed up
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#2892
How well an object floats depends on its specific gravity. If a zombie is very dry (quite feasible, I'd think), then it would float quite well. Also, some scientific research is required to find out whether zombies need to breathe. Anyway, your suggestion that they could walk on the bottom assumes that they don't. So a floating raft made out of zombies is not too far-fetched.
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#2893
Well either the zombie is trained to breathe...since breathing not only falls under autonomous body functioning...breathing like...blood pumping ...heart beating...eyes blinking is autonomous...which the zombie don't got. none. nada. nil. people got...living people...not dead ones.
Not to mention breathing presumes the need for breathe which in turn presumes life...hence ...no zombie.
Even so. a human body needs air in lungs just to barely float...and that takes effort just to maintain it in the lungs...no air in lungs ...no float...swimming helps...but air is what makes the buoyancy...so...you gotta bung 'em up...both ends.. ..or teach 'em to inhale and hold their breathe and swim...human body is not an ant body...it is not comparable in density...nor is the human body...when dead or alive.. light.. like cord wood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2MhMsLn9B0

Now I think the distinction of "what" kind of Zombie we are talking about is really everything. Since I have only been talking about the post Romero dead zombie ...not the pre Romero live zombie..which changes everything....
What we really need here is a forensic pathologist or a Zombie expert to weigh in...
And I do not doubt that in this wide wide world someone has their doctorate in such studies...most likely in the U.S.

Gawd I love "Off Topic" forum here...where else are you gonna talk about crap A to Z ... Aardvarks to Zombies.
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https://www.zombiesrungame.com/

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ok ...we gotta get this for maemo...
it would sooooo bump my daily workout regimen up a few notches...
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Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
Even so. a human body needs air in lungs just to barely float...
I think you are making a premature conclusion. Depending on who you ask, a living human body is 65 to 98% water. Dry the body to remove the water and seal it sufficiently so it does not soak again quickly and it will float nicely, like a piece of wood (or a duck).

Even if we assume that it is the air that makes the body float, you are making the wrong assumption that the air needs to be in the lungs. The air can be distributed uniformly throughout the body as a natural by-product of decomposition - something I have been told the zombies are particularly partial to.

One of my favourite Python moments! And I loved the other clip YT showed me immediately afterwards. The "Scientific Creation" museum. Pity I have no business in Kentucky in the foreseeable future.
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Zombies dont exists. In fact, i think that its more likely that an alien invasion take place than that nature/humans create dead walkers...

I don't believe for a second that a zombie can swim or float.

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I think Zombies are possible, but not the type people think. And it could go two ways:

1) Supernatural
Something like demons/body-snatcher infect humans and take over their bodies. Human soul is expelled and replaced. The new soul isn't as sophisticated, and acts like soldier ants.

2) Rabies-like
People get infected with a microbe or prion (most likely a virus). It causes people to get deranged and violent. The infected assault other infected and non-infected people (and mirrors). Until the infection passes over or they die. And they can die like a regular person: blood-loss being the most prominent.


With that all said, the only thing more dangerous than a Zombie is a Human. Who can think, plan, improvise and kill you more efficiently. And the only thing more dangerous than that is a Human who is skilled and trained in those ways, ie a Soldier.

I mean if you pit 20 packs of wolves (each with 6 members), how would they fare in an all-out death match against:
- 100 zombies?
- 100 humans?
- 100 soldiers?

I think I'm going off-topic, what was the topic again? Oh the countdown... for what again?
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The countdown to the countdown I believe it was...and intermittent countdowns in between.

@ Kangal ...that is 2 types of zombie but you are forgetting the 3rd type ...which I alluded to.
the 2 you mention involve deceased ...as a motivator which is either a spiritual or an "infection" which causes their mobility.
the other type of zombie I mentioned was the "Pre-Romero" Zombie.
Not dead. A living person ... voodoo which include rites to essentially turn a person into a mindless slave. The original Zombie. When I was younger I traveled around quite a bit and had the opportunity to (for lack of a better term) hang out with some pretty interesting people ...I've seen some pretty strange stuff...never saw a zombie myself...but I heard stuff from locals about some peoples ..some places to stay away from..stories..warnings.. I did have an opportunity to talk with a Houngans from Haiti...talked with all kinds of people over the years from different places...and yea...strange man...strange...
That kind of zombie could do it...could float...that is...perhaps...since he isn't dead.
I don't know...
One thing I do know is...on reflection ...the thought of a dead guy or a horde walking, running chasing me to kill me ..for a hollywood concept of feeding on brains or what ever...sure...If I was realistically confronted with that...that would scare me silly...give reason to pick up and start running.
But a once healthy living person or people with individual identities reduced to mindless slaves obedient to their masters order chasing me down...I'll still be running ...still scared... but the thought of this kind of Zombie fills me with ...hm...dread? that is a good word.

The modern "Post-Romero" zombie (which has dominated across cultures) is nothing more than a ghoul (not the arabic concept of ghoul which is demonic...but rather the more european concept of ghoul) chasing down "live" meat....(hell I think Romero himself is quoted as calling his film "creations" - ghouls..)
Regardless of the process of how they were initially created or generated...virus...infection...radiation...toxin. ..spiritual ...they all are a "Post-Romero" influenced concept of a zombie.

The "Post-Romero" zombie may be putting it's stamp in the psyche of the world and as a new mythos...but there are older accounts of zombies predating Romero by 1000's and 10's of 1000's of years...and some have very slight similarity to absolutely none at all.

But what is needed is someone with proper studies in such matters to add more than I know of... or what little else I know of that I desire to talk of on the matter...since I feel it becomes an uncomfortable topic...one that isn't fun to talk on... the more one learns or studies or talks of such practices ...but becomes grimmer and bleaker ...
like going from a scene of a summer day in colour and warmth..
to a winter scene...dead-cold ... black and white..colourless ...
Brr.
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The Haitian Zombie is all just made-up. It has been de-bunked countless times.
Sure let's inject an unknown substance to create zombies.

I mean the body-snatcher idea is more feasible, despite requiring an appreciation for a supernatural clause.

However, I actually came up with a third-zombie type thinking of this.
Imagine like Cold-War era "sleeper spies". Yeah, once activated they lose their sense of identity and can only function on their objectives. Now imagine if their objective was mass murder in the opposing country, you see where I'm going with this.

In fact, its very probable for such a "zombie".
- People can block out pain via mental state, via a trauma/brain-overload, or via chemicals,
- People can be conditioned to behave more primitive, like an ant or a zombie
- A device hooked to someone's brain could be controlling them


So I give you 3 forms of possible zombies (ranging from most to least likely):

1) Brain-washed person (disposable, primitive thinker and pain blocker).
2) Mentally degraded person due to Infection (something like a rabid-human).
3) Body-snatcher person (alien/demon/supernatural explanation)

Now the question that remains is 40x Green Anacondas versus 50x Silverback Gorillas. FIGHT!
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