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2008-03-23 , 21:00
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I can. And I do.
Well, I can't and don't so it is no use to me.
 
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2008-03-23 , 21:03
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No really: it is much less tedious than downloading podcasts, waiting for them to download, then putting up with podcasters' ideas of being a radio/tv host. There are some seriously geeky people out there. People which one is better off not seeing or hearing =)
Indeed. But there are some good people too. If you want the hassle of finding a good website, that is your choice. The podcasts download automatically without waiting when you are doing other things. That is kind of what a podcast is!
 
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If you want the hassle of finding a good website, that is your choice.
I have found some, so it is no longer a hassle.

The podcasts download automatically without waiting when you are doing other things. That is kind of what a podcast is!
You mean, when I wake up, make some breakfast, and turn on my computer, the podcasts will be already there, waiting for me? Because that is how websites work - you turn on the machine, run the web browser, and 10 seconds later the website is at your screen.

Also, is there an index of things each podcast is talking about? Is it a verbal index? Can I navigate it to get only the information I am interested in, like I do with websites? How? Do I just verbally tell the podcast "Skip to iPhone news!"?
 
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I have found some, so it is no longer a hassle.


You mean, when I wake up, make some breakfast, and turn on my computer, the podcasts will be already there, waiting for me?
In my case, yes they will as my computer will just download them when I am ready.

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Because that is how websites work - you turn on the machine, run the web browser, and 10 seconds later the website is at your screen.
Is it really? Thanks - I always wondered how websites worked
Obviously I don't know as I don't have your super mobile internet connection that works miles away from transmitters and underground.

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Also, is there an index of things each podcast is talking about?
Podcasts are made by hundreds of different people on hundreds of different subjects. Some have indexes on the page you get them for, some have audio indexes, some just say what is coming up.

Thats why you have podcasts and websites at the same time. It is about choice. Just because you don't want that choice, doesn't mean that it isn't valid and will die out.
Or maybe you think we should all be using pocketPCs like everyone else?
 
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In my case, yes they will as my computer will just download them when I am ready.
Yes, but my computer was off. How could it download the podcasts?

Obviously I don't know as I don't have your super mobile internet connection that works miles away from transmitters and underground.
We have transmitters in the subway, as well as in the countryside. No 3G yet, but GPRS and EDGE are there. I find it difficult to imagine an urban place that does not have these nowadays.

Podcasts are made by hundreds of different people on hundreds of different subjects. Some have indexes on the page you get them for, some have audio indexes, some just say what is coming up.
So, you basically need a separate webpage to navigate podcasts? Umgh.

It is about choice. Just because you don't want that choice, doesn't mean that it isn't valid and will die out.
Why is it that every time somebody has to defend utterly purposeless things, the "choice" argument comes up? Yea, you obviously have a choice and it is good to have a choice, no argument here. The argument is about whether this particular choice is any better than other choices.
 
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2008-03-25 , 19:02
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Yes, but my computer was off. How could it download the podcasts?
I wasn't talking about your computer, but it takes no time to download a podcast, so maybe your computer could download while you were having a drink before leaving the house?

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We have transmitters in the subway, as well as in the countryside. No 3G yet, but GPRS and EDGE are there. I find it difficult to imagine an urban place that does not have these nowadays.
Sorry I didn't define 'in the middle of the countryside' as an urban place. The rest of the places have 3G, but not in the tunnels and subways.

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So, you basically need a separate webpage to navigate podcasts? Umgh.
huh? Of course you don't. It is an audio file. You listen to it.

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Why is it that every time somebody has to defend utterly purposeless things, the "choice" argument comes up? Yea, you obviously have a choice and it is good to have a choice, no argument here. The argument is about whether this particular choice is any better than other choices.
because it isn't utterly purposless to many people. To many people it is the only viable choice.
Why is it when some people don't like something they can't understand how it is better to someone else?
 
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I wasn't talking about your computer,
Well, for obvious reasons I can't use yours, so it is kind of a forced assumption

but it takes no time to download a podcast, so maybe your computer could download while you were having a drink before leaving the house?
Dunno, never tried it: textual web pages are available even before I decide to have a drink.

Sorry I didn't define 'in the middle of the countryside' as an urban place. The rest of the places have 3G, but not in the tunnels and subways.
I didn't either, just mentioned that GPRS is available both in urban and country settings, as long as you do not go kilometers deep into the forest or something. BTW, web pages load well enough with plain GPRS, no need for 3G

huh? Of course you don't. It is an audio file. You listen to it.
But then how do I navigate it if I only want to hear a certain piece (i.e. a gadget review as opposed to vacuous chatter)?

because it isn't utterly purposless to many people. To many people it is the only viable choice.
I actually get the point about podcasts being useful for people who drive (and like blogging stuff strongly enough to crave it even on radio). I can probably buy into the usage case where the user has problems concentrating (i.e. has ADD syndrome, is riding a donkey, etc.). But, aside from these usage cases, I do not see any others
 
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I didn't either, just mentioned that GPRS is available both in urban and country settings, as long as you do not go kilometers deep into the forest or something. BTW, web pages load well enough with plain GPRS, no need for 3G
ok, well I define the country as being kilometers deep in the forest, I wasn't aware you had a different definition.
I will take your word that web pages load well with gprs, not something I would consider.


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But then how do I navigate it if I only want to hear a certain piece (i.e. a gadget review as opposed to vacuous chatter)?
So have you never listened to audio or watched a video before?
I kind of find it pretty easy, I didn't realise you would have so much difficulty with it. Sorry, my mistake.

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I actually get the point about podcasts being useful for people who drive (and like blogging stuff strongly enough to crave it even on radio). I can probably buy into the usage case where the user has problems concentrating (i.e. has ADD syndrome, is riding a donkey, etc.). But, aside from these usage cases, I do not see any others
Clearly you don't. And there is obviously no way I can explain it to you in a way you appear capable of understanding, so I will let it drop.
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ok, well I define the country as being kilometers deep in the forest, I wasn't aware you had a different definition.
We obviously live in different countries, so no wonder. Is 500 kilometers into the forest still considered countryside where you live?

So have you never listened to audio or watched a video before? I kind of find it pretty easy, I didn't realise you would have so much difficulty with it.
Actually, I do not have a difficulty with it, but every time I get bored with the audio or video, I tune away from it (and do it a lot). In the case of podcasts (videocasts, etc.) however, I have found it easier not to tune in at the first place: there is preciously few information there.
 
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