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#21
Originally Posted by dnastase View Post
I think the problem is in the xkb setup of the X11.
However I don't know enough to fix it

If you compare /usr/share/X11/xkb/ against N810 you'll find that it contains less. Especially the symbols subdir where N810 has a lot of other layouts but the N900 just the RX44, RX51 and the SU8W.

I think we can fix this issue by setup, thus not needing to wait for Nokia or do code changes.

But would somebody with this knowledge apply to this issue pls ?
Yes, I also realized that with a few tests, in Maemo5 all external keyboards are setup using the SU8W layout, in Maemo4 a generic pc-105 layout is used (+ a lot of regional options).

Before we proceed hacking it, I would like to know why they removed the generic layout, since this is a very unharmful thing IMO, seems to me that there's other problems in the layers about X11 (hildon), I hope I'm wrong.
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Ive literraly just run into this problem. It hadnt even occured to me that the bt keyboard wouldnt work as with my tablet.
i also discovered that if i use the physical keyboard to suplement the symbols i cant reach from my bluetooth keyboard, then it stops any further input from the bt keyboard, until i disconnect and reconnect....
EDIT: actually this happened the first time, but doesn't seem to still be the case, so at least I can get along a little bit now.

if i could just find a key on my bt keyboard that mapped to the bluearrow function of the physical keyboard, i could cope with being confined to the mappings from there. but so far no luck finding it.
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Originally Posted by dwould View Post
Ive literraly just run into this problem. It hadnt even occured to me that the bt keyboard wouldnt work as with my tablet.
i also discovered that if i use the physical keyboard to suplement the symbols i cant reach from my bluetooth keyboard, then it stops any further input from the bt keyboard, until i disconnect and reconnect....
EDIT: actually this happened the first time, but doesn't seem to still be the case, so at least I can get along a little bit now.

if i could just find a key on my bt keyboard that mapped to the bluearrow function of the physical keyboard, i could cope with being confined to the mappings from there. but so far no luck finding it.
The blue arrow key is Right-Alt key on a normal keyboard.

But it's a very convoluted and non-productive way of using the bt keyboard.
 
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i don't have a right alt key on my bluetooth keyboard :-(
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That sucks, sorry.

Well my hope is in fixing the X xkb setup. But I see not too many people are interested/bothered by this issue, so chances are not that good.

I would want to use my bt keyboard as soon as I can too...
 
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Originally Posted by VDVsx View Post
Yes, I also realized that with a few tests, in Maemo5 all external keyboards are setup using the SU8W layout, in Maemo4 a generic pc-105 layout is used (+ a lot of regional options).

Before we proceed hacking it, I would like to know why they removed the generic layout, since this is a very unharmful thing IMO, seems to me that there's other problems in the layers about X11 (hildon), I hope I'm wrong.
Does this mean I'll be able to use my SU-8W with the N900? That'll be great. The SU-8W locked up my 5800 Xpressmusic; there is no 5800 specific driver for the SU-8W that I can find so used a different release version. I'm lucky it installed and ran at all.
 
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#27
Hi everyone -

I'm just waiting for SFR in France to offer the N900, then I will get one. I have been using an Apple BT keyboard on a Nokia e61 with the standard Nokia driver, and to be honest it is very near to perfection, for navigation and writing, even with an AZERTY French keyboard layout.

Clearly, an external keyboard will turn the N900 into a netbook substitute to some degree (weekends away from home, a day at the beach...). Especially as professional document editing tools become available. I'm confident that a solution will be found, simply because many people care about finding it! It's even something that Nokia could market as a productivity tool. I hereby add my vote in favor of a generic external BT keyboard driver or configuration option.

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Originally Posted by mojo34 View Post
Hi everyone -

I'm just waiting for SFR in France to offer the N900, then I will get one. I have been using an Apple BT keyboard on a Nokia e61 with the standard Nokia driver, and to be honest it is very near to perfection, for navigation and writing, even with an AZERTY French keyboard layout.

Clearly, an external keyboard will turn the N900 into a netbook substitute to some degree (weekends away from home, a day at the beach...). Especially as professional document editing tools become available. I'm confident that a solution will be found, simply because many people care about finding it! It's even something that Nokia could market as a productivity tool. I hereby add my vote in favor of a generic external BT keyboard driver or configuration option.

Take care.
Do not expect too much from external keyboard and N900: the UI cannot be controlled using the keyboard. You will still have to use finger/stylus to: scroll, switch apps, start apps, etc.
This is a little bit of a disappointment compared to Maemo 4 where keyboard be used similar to a desktop pc.
 
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Just as you use a mouse on your computer, you would use fingers and the stylus for navigation on the n900. The keyboard would be useful in text-heavy applications, once you're in the application. Lack of proper system navigation via the keyboard is no big deal, imho.
 
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Originally Posted by mojo34 View Post
Just as you use a mouse on your computer, you would use fingers and the stylus for navigation on the n900. The keyboard would be useful in text-heavy applications, once you're in the application. Lack of proper system navigation via the keyboard is no big deal, imho.
Yes, but on your compute you don't use *only* your mouse to navigate.
And as we all know, N900 is a computer...

On the other hand it's well known that pros use only the keyboard
 
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