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2010-02-27 , 21:43
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"...But it's good that the communication has not ceased."
"... at least they still have us in mind"

OMG! WAKE UP!
I'm wide awake. As long as there is some communication, I can make a more informed decision.

And as it stands, I'd rather have some communication than none.
 
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2010-02-27 , 21:45
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Meego on the other hand is like Android, it can be put on nearly any device with any configuration of hardware.
That's the odd thing, because from the MeeGo roadmap it suggests it can be put on nearly any configuration of hardware from a TV set to a toaster, so when you read comments that suggest it's too early to know if it will run on the n900 - that feels really odd. Surely it must be able to.
 

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2010-02-27 , 21:50
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Why does the OS matter if the applications work concurrently on MeeGo and Maemo 5 devices with Qt?

If Qt is the glue, and MeeGo (formerly Maemo 6) devices are going to have significantly different hardware, wouldn't it be a smart gesture for Nokia to keep the N900 in play with updates to the Qt stack?

Now, if Qt gets to a point where Maemo 5 can't be used as efficiently with it, wouldn't that be a case for something like a Mer project to come that rebuilds the shell/app space in Qt to better eek compatibility and performance from N900 devices?

I hear and see the fears, but for some reason, much of this seems incredibly blown way off base considering what we know about the platform and what it does and will support.

Or, is my PR language coming out too, and I'm just blasting hot air?
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2010-02-27 , 21:53
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I did not post this as another whining thread if you actually read the blog/overview it is in a positive light towards a brighter future for the N900. Sure he does not directly answer the big question but like he said at the moment he cant answer it but he has officially confirmed that alot of the applications as we already guessed will run on the N900.
 
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2010-02-27 , 21:53
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Originally Posted by kojacker View Post
That's the odd thing, because from the MeeGo roadmap it suggests it can be put on nearly any configuration of hardware from a TV set to a toaster, so when you read comments that suggest it's too early to know if it will run on the n900 - that feels really odd. Surely it must be able to.
Most likely the new N-Series MeeGo phones will sport multitouch and might require more processing power for some specific things. Thus the N900 won't be able to handle a full MeeGo version?

Though why couldn't the divide some resources and build a proper N900 MeeGo version, kind of as a thank you for people sticking with Nokia even though the out of box experience with the N900 wasn't exactly as promised..
 
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Why does the OS matter if the applications work concurrently on MeeGo and Maemo 5 devices with Qt?
From my point of view, it matters a great deal to be on an OS which is legacy and non-supported compared with MeeGo which will be supported going forward. Besides, I believe Ari has said in the blog that not all applications will be able to run on Maemo so it's not simply a matter of we'll get the same apps because of Qt.
 
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From my point of view, it matters a great deal to be on an OS which is legacy and non-supported compared with MeeGo which will be supported going forward. Besides, I believe Ari has said in the blog that not all applications will be able to run on Maemo so it's not simply a matter of we'll get the same apps because of Qt.
Ok, pulling out the "duh" stick... if Maemo and MeeGo devices have different hardware, of course the same apps won't run. The question remains, why does the OS matter if the app space is consistent? With Qt, there's less a chance for abandonware polluting older devices, and at the same time, there's a better chance to do different things with hardware which might encourage more and better types of users.

Reference: the Nokia in 2015 video, and the recent patent application for devices which can change shape. This points to a more versatile approach to applications where the hardware doesn't matter, but it matters what the OS can support. Whether its Maemo, MeeGo, Symbian, etc., Qt is flexible enough, and therefore the hardware doesn't matter as much except for specific uses.

I'm not sure where there's a loss here for Maemo 5. In fact, if anything, Maemo 5 folks might end up with the sweetest pot in all of this.

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Most likely the new N-Series MeeGo phones will sport multitouch and might require more processing power for some specific things. Thus the N900 won't be able to handle a full MeeGo version?
Sure, but things like a TV aren't going to be capacitive multi-touch, for example, so surely there is a MeeGo implementation that can be made to run for the n900. If there's a will there is a way. I know there are bright sparks on here who no doubt could get a distro made, but I would like it to be official Nokia and not left to the community.

Though why couldn't the divide some resources and build a proper N900 MeeGo version, kind of as a thank you for people sticking with Nokia even though the out of box experience with the N900 wasn't exactly as promised..
It would be nice. I think the n900 deserves a better finished and polished OS, but I dont know if Nokia are going to put the $$ into doing that.
 
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2010-02-27 , 22:06
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Why does the OS matter if the applications work concurrently on MeeGo and Maemo 5 devices with Qt?
What makes you think that application will work? There is more than gui toolkit to writing applications.

If it is so easy to get applications to work, why can't Nokia promise new version of OVI Maps? Maybe they know something you don't?

How about basic applications - phone, media player, etc.? Will N900 remain only Nokia phone in the last ten years with no per contact ring tone?

How will the device with 256MB handle both GTK and QT applications concurrently? It will certainly not improve general system performance.
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2010-02-27 , 22:08
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Originally Posted by ARJWright View Post
Why does the OS matter if the applications work concurrently on MeeGo and Maemo 5 devices with Qt?
It doesn't matter, until the day a point upgrade or shift means your OS is now a dead end. Then it'll matter... but then it's too late.

As it stands, Maemo 5 is an unconfirmed dead end. May happen in Qt 4.7.x or 4.8 or 5.0... without that information, the OS starts to matter once again.

If Qt is the glue, and MeeGo (formerly Maemo 6) devices are going to have significantly different hardware, wouldn't it be a smart gesture for Nokia to keep the N900 in play with updates to the Qt stack?
One can only hope. But absolutely nothing other than Qt runs on N900 so far.

Now, if Qt gets to a point where Maemo 5 can't be used as efficiently
And THAT is what people are afraid of. It's that darn simple... people don't know when Maemo 5 will stop being able to run this so-called "glue"... as it stands, it could be very soon. With it unconfirmed, no roadmap that says when... speculation will be as rampant as it is.

...a case for something like a Mer project to come that rebuilds the shell/app space in Qt to better eek compatibility and performance from N900 devices?
2 years later, Mer hasn't replaced OS 2008. And despite being hopeful; I have almost nothing to show for it.

I hear and see the fears, but for some reason, much of this seems incredibly blown way off base considering what we know about the platform and what it does and will support.
And I feel as if being too faithful without anything confirmed is quite foolish especially given Nokia's history of "stop, drop, restart".
 

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