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2010-04-05
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Originally Posted by ysss
So that's why they helped increase the price of ebook? Unless they plan on a bait and switch.
@rmerren: you've got a lot of angst against Apple that you're misdirecting at me, buddy.
I've never advocated DRM for DRM's sake and never claimed that it's better than open formats. What I've been saying all along is that this isn't a one-sided market. Media distributing companies (like Apple) are playing the middlemen that has to find the middle ground to create an ecosystem with enough buy-ins from both the consumer side and also the content creators side. Look no further than MeeGo's dual DRM\open implementation to have a dose of this reality.
I choose not to respond to the rest of your post that you've thoughtfully written with such condescending tones because I'd rather not to be involved in mindless trolling.
ps: It is in Apple's interest to maintain the content prices as low as the content producers are willing to sell them at, because Apple makes more in hardware sales than from the commission they get of media sales. They also have long term interest to make their platform appealing to the customers by not (overly) overpricing them. Just look at how much Angry Birds is selling on the AppStore ($0.99 with 3 level packs) vs other platforms where it's being sold.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2010-04-05
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
I don't know enough about book publishing biz, but the obvious observation is that apple wants to lower their risk in the ebook distribution game by opting for a fixed commission than amazon's biz model which can potentially net them huge profit on big titles and losses on flops. They can also argue that colors and extended multimedia capabilities justify the price hike *shrugs*
So that's why they helped increase the price of ebook? Unless they plan on a bait and switch.
we'll have to see how this plays out.
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2010-04-05
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Dont bother explaining apple's evilness to ysss... he just likes apple just like we hate it.
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2010-04-05
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Originally Posted by ysss
I haven't seen such a transition. Have you? I don't think anyone has figured this stuff out yet. it's a Brave New World, the 'net has just been born, relatively speaking. Everyone is still trying to figure out how to change it's diapers.
It would make a more interesting discussion if you could put forth an example of the ideal transition that you have in mind\have seen happened.
But I do think it will take a totally new, different way of doing business, maybe unlike anything we've seen before, who knows? Sorry, but your suggestion feels like more of the same 'ol same 'ol and won't work IMHO. Kinda like the RIAA trying to stop filesharing and hang on to the old ways.
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2010-04-05
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I never purchased the iphone due to Apple's inherent drive to control the flow of information (in this case by controlling the apps in the app store or not providing open access to information by providing a better browser) and I am never going to purchase an ipad for the same reason.
It is funny, once you think about it, that many apps in the app store are simply a substitute for a limited browser experience on the iphone.
Nokia did the right thing with the n900 by providing us with a full fledged web experience within an open platform. Apple and Microsoft before it started a disturbing though not that surprising trend of controlling not just the device but the flow of information and I sure hope Nokia doesn't follow suit.
It is funny, once you think about it, that many apps in the app store are simply a substitute for a limited browser experience on the iphone.
Nokia did the right thing with the n900 by providing us with a full fledged web experience within an open platform. Apple and Microsoft before it started a disturbing though not that surprising trend of controlling not just the device but the flow of information and I sure hope Nokia doesn't follow suit.
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2010-04-05
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Originally Posted by sachin007
I think that's an extreme comment to make. There are things I like about Apple, granted there's not many. Likewise ysss has voiced his displeasures with Apple products before.
Dont bother explaining apple's evilness to ysss... he just likes apple just like we hate it.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2010-04-05
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I hope ysss doesn't think i was picking on him...I was not. I apologize for any offense taken...that was not my intent.
I am picking on Apple. I don't think Apple is evil (or Microsoft either, for that matter, though I didn't know that Mobile 7 is as restrictive as CrashDamage is indicating and that really sucks), and I definitely don't have a problem with people buying apple products. I don't think the purchase of Apple products contributes to the destruction of the universe, but I also don't think they are changing the world. But if you make the choice to buy their stuff, I think you are submitting to the closed and nonfree world when you don't have to, and I think you are making a decision which will cost you more money and time both now and later.
Apple has fallen a long way from the company they were when I had an Apple II (that's Apple ][, if you prefer!). The company that reveled in having a "Peeks and Pokes" chart listing all the memory locations and their function, and who had velcro-ish closures on the case so you could pop the computer open without tools now sues or bans people who hack their devices and seals their devices shut before they even get into the country. They claim that gaining root access to an apple device that you own (which is what jailbreaking is despite the illicit sounding name) is a violation of the law. It's really kind of sad more than anything else. They have become a self-parody of their 1984 ad.
I am picking on Apple. I don't think Apple is evil (or Microsoft either, for that matter, though I didn't know that Mobile 7 is as restrictive as CrashDamage is indicating and that really sucks), and I definitely don't have a problem with people buying apple products. I don't think the purchase of Apple products contributes to the destruction of the universe, but I also don't think they are changing the world. But if you make the choice to buy their stuff, I think you are submitting to the closed and nonfree world when you don't have to, and I think you are making a decision which will cost you more money and time both now and later.
Apple has fallen a long way from the company they were when I had an Apple II (that's Apple ][, if you prefer!). The company that reveled in having a "Peeks and Pokes" chart listing all the memory locations and their function, and who had velcro-ish closures on the case so you could pop the computer open without tools now sues or bans people who hack their devices and seals their devices shut before they even get into the country. They claim that gaining root access to an apple device that you own (which is what jailbreaking is despite the illicit sounding name) is a violation of the law. It's really kind of sad more than anything else. They have become a self-parody of their 1984 ad.
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2010-04-05
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Originally Posted by rmerren
Outright evil might be a little too strong. But not much. Extremely greedy and ultra-controlling would certainly not be an exaggeration.
I don't think Apple is evil (or Microsoft either, for that matter, though I didn't know that Mobile 7 is as restrictive as CrashDamage is indicating and that really sucks)
WinMo 7 is very restrictive. About as much as they could possibly make it.
But if you make the choice to buy their stuff, I think you are submitting to the closed and nonfree world when you don't have to, and I think you are making a decision which will cost you more money and time both now and later.
Apple has fallen a long way from the company they were...(snip)...It's really kind of sad more than anything else. They have become a self-parody of their 1984 ad.
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2010-04-05
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Originally Posted by bousch
The Chinese government HAS learned from them, I would imagine. The fact is that anti-freedom works, for companies, countries, and even web sites. The only question is, what environment YOU want to be in, because freedom also works. I like the systems with a lot of freedom in them.
Apple has a lot of success with the closed model of censorship. The Chinese government could learn from them
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