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2010-12-11 , 01:54
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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
But, of course, it is still being sold in the states:
Read the title of the thread 'NOKIA' not 'Amazon' is not selling N900 anymore. If that were the case I'd just go to my local swap meet and buy it there.
 
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2010-12-11 , 02:04
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Originally Posted by chiques View Post
Read the title of the thread 'NOKIA' not 'Amazon' is not selling N900 anymore. If that were the case I'd just go to my local swap meet and buy it there.
The guy at the swap meet will give you a factory-fresh unit with a full warrantee? You have some amazing swap meets there...
 
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2010-12-11 , 02:07
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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
The guy at the swap meet will give you a factory-fresh unit with a full warrantee? You have some amazing swap meets there...
Yes, factory fresh is especially important. How long does it take before an N900 goes rotten?
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2010-12-11 , 02:25
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Yes, factory fresh is especially important. How long does it take before an N900 goes rotten?
Apparently, it doesn't necessarily take very long:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tgNdRm-iJs

 
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2010-12-11 , 03:10
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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
Apparently, it doesn't necessarily take very long:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tgNdRm-iJs

I got a screen protector within a week. With that plus a generous 1-week warranty from Nokia, I was set. I've had it for about a year now.
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2010-12-11 , 03:32
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Originally Posted by retsaw View Post
There are almost certainly security holes in the version of Flash included on the N900. There have been several security fix updates to the desktop Flash since the N900 came out, so unless those fixes were backported and included in the PR updates*, it is likely those vulnerabilities still exist in the version we have, and even if they have been fixed silently, Flash is still a piece of garbage security-wise so there are likely more to be discovered..
None of which is special to Maemo or linux. Flash is dangerous for all platforms. So it's hardly a knock against the N900.
But point taken.
Still, this is all assumption isn't it, since the OP has never actually explained what he was insinuating?
 
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2010-12-11 , 20:09
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The N900 is a god phone. It dominates, with being opensource, having the capabilities to overclock, the phones specs are strait on as well, being one of the most advanced phones around. New phones have better specs, but quality of the specs are ****. Nokia has out done themselves with this phone, and the Maemo > MeeGo transition won't be hard. Most of us can dual boot MeeGo already, theres really nothing to worry about.

We're lucky we have the phone.
 

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2010-12-11 , 22:16
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Originally Posted by lancewex View Post
None of which is special to Maemo or linux. Flash is dangerous for all platforms. So it's hardly a knock against the N900.
But point taken.
Still, this is all assumption isn't it, since the OP has never actually explained what he was insinuating?
Yes Flash is dangerous for all platforms, it is always best using a flash blocker where you have it installed so you don't automatically run every flash applet you run across, you never know what unpatched exploits the black hats may know about even for an up-to-date flash plugin.

And yes it is (at least on my part) assumption, but I feel they are valid. Though the OP did take it a bit far by implying attackers will be overseeing their exploits and manually controlling it, this is quite unlikely.
 
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2010-12-12 , 02:41
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Originally Posted by tzsm98 View Post
Be very afraid. GM, following Nokia's lead, is also no longer selling 2010 Chevrolet models even though they were just released last September. GM owners are insisting that they receive the new 2011 Chevrolet at half price because they never updated the 2010 model.
Chevrolet has a 100,000 mile/5 year warranty just as Nokia has a warranty on the N900.

Where your analogy sorta fails though is that GM has clear communication that a new model is forthcoming, thus the year preceding the name of the model whereas Nokia has used a rather vague term of "Step 4 out of 5".

I'd somewhat trust that if the 2011 GM models were to have something go wrong, such as the place where you put in gasoline were to pull out, there would be a public recall. No such luck on the micro USB port on the N900.

But it can be argued that technology, ever marching forward will leave behind beloved gadgets such as the N900 in the name of progress, the absolute lack of communication on some things is sorta disappointing.

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Originally Posted by retsaw View Post
Yes Flash is dangerous for all platforms, it is always best using a flash blocker where you have it installed so you don't automatically run every flash applet you run across, you never know what unpatched exploits the black hats may know about even for an up-to-date flash plugin.

And yes it is (at least on my part) assumption, but I feel they are valid. Though the OP did take it a bit far by implying attackers will be overseeing their exploits and manually controlling it, this is quite unlikely.
retsaw: thanks for clarifying my post.

I actually think it's unlikely that the flash exploits around for the older plugin we are forced to use, had anyone go to the effort of updating them for arm (& specifically the n900), but if anyone were to bother with that, it's not much of a stretch to assume they would also use the arbitrary execution of code on your phone to create tunnels to a shell. Note how shocked Google were when they found just how person specific and targetted the trojan based attacks on their internal network were. If you are hosting malicious embedded flash, it's trivial to leave an automatic logtailing based process to alert you when you snag a victim.


So in summary. These are valid concerns based on the fact that there really are arbitrary code execution type exploits for the flash version we ran* but also, it's highly unlikely it's being exploited unless somebody wants to target you for something specific.

*With the vague possibility this was actually fixed...
I'm also interested in seeing that there was a slight version bump and wonder if they actually did backport the security fixes. It seems weird not to let us have 10.* instead.
 
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