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2012-08-10
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
But how are they going to keep it that way? With Android gadgets if anything, it's the specs/price ratio which affects what people will buy. Samsung doesn't have anything special that would make people prefer it over ZTE/Huawei, once the specs gap is gone. And with price they cannot compete.
Samsung are already dominating Huawei and ZTE in the Android market.
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2012-08-10
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Not just patent firesale.
Just heard from on finnish news that Digia paid only 4 million euros for Qt. Thats meager 3125% less than what Nokia paid for Qt.
Just heard from on finnish news that Digia paid only 4 million euros for Qt. Thats meager 3125% less than what Nokia paid for Qt.
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2012-08-10
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Well Qt is worth zero,nada to nokia so its 4 m for nothing. Great deal.
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2012-08-10
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Originally Posted by RFS-81
Samsung are a global behemoth, they have huge economies of scale. They can employ staff wherever on the planet it's most cost effective to do so. They manufacture touchscreens, processors, memory, etc... - components their competitors would have to source from third parties. Should Samsung choose to match ZTE's and Huawei's price points like for like then I'm sure they could, however I don't think they will because they don't have to. Certainly not at the moment. Samsung have a standing and a reputation that ZTE and Huawei are currently still a long way from achieving.
But how are they going to keep it that way? With Android gadgets if anything, it's the specs/price ratio which affects what people will buy. Samsung doesn't have anything special that would make people prefer it over ZTE/Huawei, once the specs gap is gone. And with price they cannot compete.
Setting your price too low can actually give a perception of poor quality that is counter-productive.
NOKIA better watch out for ZTE and Huawei though, they're both reported to be planning WP8 devices and the NOKIA brand is now so tarnished with failure that they're much more likely to have to slug it out on price. NOKIA's margins are already tumbling and WP8 doesn't even give them any possibility of customisation or differentiation so imo it's much more likely to be a feature for feature slap down.
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2012-08-10
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Originally Posted by Rauha
True, but then what IP's changed hands? Non where mentioned on the press releases.
Not just patent firesale.
Just heard from on finnish news that Digia paid only 4 million euros for Qt. Thats meager 3125% less than what Nokia paid for Qt.
Nokia shelved around 120 workers that it doesn't need anymore and got paid 4 million for it is probably what Nokia is thinking.
And anyways the money Nokia lost developing Qt is peanuts to that 100 million Nokia paid for Trolltech.
Originally Posted by Dave999
Well Qt is worth zero,nada to nokia so its 4 m for nothing. Great deal.
Pretty much.
Last edited by tissot; 2012-08-10 at 22:43.
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2012-08-11
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Originally Posted by tissot
But it is also worth noting that no one else would purchase qt for more. The real value of qt is not much. Thus it shows what terrible mistakes the previous administration made. Qt is nice, but it was insane to pay that much for it. It is a better product now than it was pre Nokia.
True, but then what IP's changed hands? Non where mentioned on the press releases.
Nokia shelved around 120 workers that it doesn't need anymore and got paid 4 million for it is probably what Nokia is thinking.
And anyways the money Nokia lost developing Qt is peanuts to that 100 million Nokia paid for Trolltech.
Pretty much.
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2012-08-11
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Originally Posted by specc
It doesn't show any such thing, Qt was to bridge the gap between Symbian and MeeGo and also to Meltemi for the 'next billion'. Qt made sense then, NOKIA sold lots of phones, they were in control of their own app store and their own 'ecosystem'. Qt and the expertise of Trolltech was immensely valuable to the future NOKIA.
But it is also worth noting that no one else would purchase qt for more. The real value of qt is not much. Thus it shows what terrible mistakes the previous administration made.
Now, thanks to Elop, it's very unlikely there will be a 'next billion' for NOKIA (that will go to Android, Tizen and/or Firefox OS), they have very little control of the software that's on their 'smart' phones and M$ now controls the app store and most of the 'ecosystem' anyway. If M$ say no Qt then there's no Qt.
NOKIA are now just a dumb box shifter, they just have to put up and shut up. They're lower down the food chain than Samsung, ZTE, Huawei, LG, etc... because they can't even threaten to use a different OS. NOKIA have no bargaining power, M$ has got them by the nuts and they just have to do what they're told.
The selling of assets at knock down prices is just indicative of the dreadful mess they've got themselves in.
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2012-08-11
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#29
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
Luckely for us. Stocks dont care for any of that, so please keep that in another thread.
It doesn't show any such thing, Qt was to bridge the gap between Symbian and MeeGo and also to Meltemi for the 'next billion'. Qt made sense then, NOKIA sold lots of phones, they were in control of their own app store and their own 'ecosystem'. Qt and the expertise of Trolltech was immensely valuable to the future NOKIA.
Now, thanks to Elop, it's very unlikely there will be a 'next billion' for NOKIA (that will go to Android, Tizen and/or Firefox OS), they have very little control of the software that's on their 'smart' phones and M$ now controls the app store and most of the 'ecosystem' anyway. If M$ say no Qt then there's no Qt.
NOKIA are now just a dumb box shifter, they just have to put up and shut up. They're lower down the food chain than Samsung, ZTE, Huawei, LG, etc... because they can't even threaten to use a different OS. NOKIA have no bargaining power, M$ has got them by the nuts and they just have to do what they're told.
The selling of assets at knock down prices is just indicative of the dreadful mess they've got themselves in.
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2012-08-11
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Its not about if wp8 succes for nokia now. Question now is if nokia can continue compete on lowend with asha...
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