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2008-11-05
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Originally Posted by qole
not at all, it is a playground
I put liqbase under "games" in my menu. Does that make me bad?
THe best part about it is getting things done without actually thinking you are working
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2008-11-05
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I keep toying with putting actual game modules in it you know 
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2008-11-05
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Originally Posted by lcuk
I thought that's what "Physics Sim" was. Well, my daughter thinks it's a game.
I keep toying with putting actual game modules in it you know
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2008-11-05
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so does jake
I mean proper games with high score tables and things.
I have one in mind which utilises the sketches and stuff and is entirely touch based, maybe when i get some more time I'll drop it in.
along with the 50bazillion things i want to do - im currently trying to implement some input methods and manipulators for text - like the physics view, but using specific subsets of the sketch.
I've got it in my head and the functions to break the sketches are there (and have had for ages) i just lack the time to think clearly.
I mean proper games with high score tables and things.
I have one in mind which utilises the sketches and stuff and is entirely touch based, maybe when i get some more time I'll drop it in.
along with the 50bazillion things i want to do - im currently trying to implement some input methods and manipulators for text - like the physics view, but using specific subsets of the sketch.
I've got it in my head and the functions to break the sketches are there (and have had for ages) i just lack the time to think clearly.
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2008-11-06
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Originally Posted by qole
That has not been true in my experience. Really. I would suggest that you check again.
Just a note before I reply specifically. I'll say it again; non-geeks want to do the same things that geeks want to do, they just won't tolerate a high threshold. If something is cool and it is also easy enough to do, everybody, even non-geeks will do it.
I'll answer to some of your comments below.
But, when handheld devices can easily play the same video that plays on big-screen TVs, and it is easy to move video around between devices, and the video looks nice, you'll see everyone watching last night's episode of Lost on their handheld devices on the way to work on the bus.
My contention is that everyone will use the social networking side of a mobile device if it is easy enough. A quick glance at your handheld will tell you (roughly
Do you find that people want the contact list syncing thing for non-work purposes?
As for video phoning, it is one of those applications that just has never taken off. I suspect we'll all want the option of video, but we'll rarely use it (except, well, in the situation you gave above). I think as it gets easier to text message people, even voice communication will drop a bit. We're seeing that already on mobile phones.
Again, this is one of those things that hasn't really taken off yet because it has too high a threshold. Recently, people started getting handed free newspapers at the station in the morning here in Vancouver, now suddenly the bus is full of people reading the newspaper (celebrity and sports news, mainly, but still). Before, I rarely saw people reading the paper on the bus.
I hope that we can get this worked out. I want to see people use less paper, and ubiquitous hand held devices with nice big easy-to-read screens seems like a good solution.
Many non-geeks do not want to read text on screen, period. Really. Even E-books went to the trouble of developing screens that look like paper, because that is a real problem. If you have not noticed that, I am pretty sure that you have not really observed non-geeks.
Well have to keep cutting trees. Get over it.
Threshold issue again. If you make it easy to share, store, view, and get prints of your photos and videos, and they're decent quality, everyone will be using it.
That's very interesting. Online shopping while sitting on the bus... Why not? I think we'll see the web evolve to meet mobile needs when more people are using it from their handhelds.
Ebay is also a social site with discussion groups, but I do not think that this enters in the equation.
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2008-11-06
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Grouping people as geeks, old, young, business and other stereo may point to nature but not to the goals of the user. Sure geeks are comfortable with technology and predisposed for using it. That is however not an indicator of their need for any specific application -- for example Contacts. Contacts are useful for relationship management regardless if the relationships are with friends, clients, stores, restaurants or whatever. The number of contacts and patterns of interaction determine the usefulness of a contacts application. Contacts isn't a killer application. My reference to contacts is only as an example. Also consider that leading edge products that come to market as the solution to all problems for all people rarely succeed. Products are best started positioned at the most likely niche.
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2008-11-06
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I only made this difference between geeks and non geeks to show the people here, most of whom can be considered "geeks", that other people with very different needs exist.
This has been a constant source of amazement for me, actually. For example: actually I prefer to read on-screen. That some people insist to have everything printed always amazes me. Same with customization: I see people (mostly female...) who spend enormous effort and ressources to glue various objects to their cell phone so as to render it almost impossible to use (their operative word is "nice"). I would not dream of doing that in my worst nightmares. Another example: I wonder for a long time what the market for shiny expensive phones (and watches) could be until I went to a night club one evening (don't ask).
Now, most people here talk "market" or "product niches" but do not have the faintest idea why such a nice device as the Sharp Zaurus failed miserably while a product like the iPhone is thriving. I do not know either, but at least, when I watch "non-geek" people, I realise how little I know.
...and, more worryingly, I also realise how Nokia maemo division seems to know.
This has been a constant source of amazement for me, actually. For example: actually I prefer to read on-screen. That some people insist to have everything printed always amazes me. Same with customization: I see people (mostly female...) who spend enormous effort and ressources to glue various objects to their cell phone so as to render it almost impossible to use (their operative word is "nice"). I would not dream of doing that in my worst nightmares. Another example: I wonder for a long time what the market for shiny expensive phones (and watches) could be until I went to a night club one evening (don't ask).
Now, most people here talk "market" or "product niches" but do not have the faintest idea why such a nice device as the Sharp Zaurus failed miserably while a product like the iPhone is thriving. I do not know either, but at least, when I watch "non-geek" people, I realise how little I know.
...and, more worryingly, I also realise how Nokia maemo division seems to know.
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2008-11-07
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A simple bit of marketing wisdom for you to consider. Years ago I met Paul Revson of Revlon fame. He told me "I don't sell cosmetics -- I sell hope." When giving a presentation or marketing a product I always try to understand the simple essense, like that, which I'm trying to achieve.
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2008-11-07
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I have to agree with qole. Geeks and Non-Geeks want the same things, but Geeks are willing to get it NOW at any cost!
Let me tell you one thing. I am in High School to put this in reference.
Before the DAWN OF THE iPHONE !
Maybe 2-5% of the school student population had smartphones.
Maybe 1-2% of the school student population used any "higher functions" like web browsing, emulators and games, Word, , etc...
I had one friend with a 770 (how I learned about the tablets) and I had a Tungsten T3 (for free). Some people and WinMo or Palm phones, but aside from using the qwerty keyboard for texting, and maybe one or two simple games and music, they used no higher functions.
Very few people had the same interests as me, aka being a geek. I go to a VERY nerdy / Asian school, so I am guessing my school is above the norm in these things.
After the DAWN OF THE iPHONE !
Game Changer
EVERY other person has a iPhone or iPod Touch. There are WAY too many of them, they sicken me to the core. A bunch more have the new iKillers that the other companies released.
Things that changed:
Web and Social: Everyone uses the web on their Smartphone. Facebook, Email, SparkNotes, you name it. My geek friends now VNC and Rdesktop into their home computers, and think they are so cool. I could do that years ago...
Location Aware Apps: Uhhh, MAPS? Ever heard of it? Before the iPhone, nobody used a GPS phone. Now, its really common. I am not sure about other apps, but people here have no issues with it.
Games: Big Big Big issue. Everyone has games on the iPhone. They play it MORE than the DS or PSP, because its so convenient. Tilt sensor and touch screen are a win-win combo. Everyone loves the games. If there were emulators, they would play them as well. Big change from before.
ok, I could go on for ever. People are still sending SMS and stuff, but AIM on mobiles is gaining traction here. Its only a matter of time. Oh, and people ARE switching from paper to phones. I remember doing a project on the benefit of tech over trees, and people laughed at me (no not really, but you get the point). Now who is laughing.
What was once "Geek" a few years ago is now "Cool". Its just how the world works.
The Future of Internet Tablets looks good, but the Nokia Internet Tablet? I don't know.....
Let me tell you one thing. I am in High School to put this in reference.
Before the DAWN OF THE iPHONE !
Maybe 2-5% of the school student population had smartphones.
Maybe 1-2% of the school student population used any "higher functions" like web browsing, emulators and games, Word, , etc...
I had one friend with a 770 (how I learned about the tablets) and I had a Tungsten T3 (for free). Some people and WinMo or Palm phones, but aside from using the qwerty keyboard for texting, and maybe one or two simple games and music, they used no higher functions.
Very few people had the same interests as me, aka being a geek. I go to a VERY nerdy / Asian school, so I am guessing my school is above the norm in these things.
After the DAWN OF THE iPHONE !
Game Changer
EVERY other person has a iPhone or iPod Touch. There are WAY too many of them, they sicken me to the core. A bunch more have the new iKillers that the other companies released.
Things that changed:
Web and Social: Everyone uses the web on their Smartphone. Facebook, Email, SparkNotes, you name it. My geek friends now VNC and Rdesktop into their home computers, and think they are so cool. I could do that years ago...
Location Aware Apps: Uhhh, MAPS? Ever heard of it? Before the iPhone, nobody used a GPS phone. Now, its really common. I am not sure about other apps, but people here have no issues with it.
Games: Big Big Big issue. Everyone has games on the iPhone. They play it MORE than the DS or PSP, because its so convenient. Tilt sensor and touch screen are a win-win combo. Everyone loves the games. If there were emulators, they would play them as well. Big change from before.
ok, I could go on for ever. People are still sending SMS and stuff, but AIM on mobiles is gaining traction here. Its only a matter of time. Oh, and people ARE switching from paper to phones. I remember doing a project on the benefit of tech over trees, and people laughed at me (no not really, but you get the point). Now who is laughing.
What was once "Geek" a few years ago is now "Cool". Its just how the world works.
The Future of Internet Tablets looks good, but the Nokia Internet Tablet? I don't know.....
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