Originally Posted by momcilo

Yes, that is the present situation, are you sure about the future?

Originally Posted by abill_uk

The Foss community obviously works for free in the development area BUT how the community is put together and works is what takes the time.

You obviously do not understand what i am going on about here.

Look at this community and look at the arguments that go on, is all too far from the professional way it should be as developers should have the respect they deserve.

Members should be somewhat vetted and made to sign an agreement NOT to do anything but develop and help development in every way without argument.

Maybe an impossible situation to make happen in this world ?.

Originally Posted by SD69

The problem is wider even than that.

I disagree. I think there is plenty enough interest in a self-governing community promoting the only existing GNU/Linux SW for mobile devices.

Neither do I. The only thing worse is that it never gets distributed.

Originally Posted by Graham Cobb

Care to explain? In my view, the problem which needs addressing now is to make sure anyone can make available any or all of the material needed to continue to allow people to use and develop on their devices.


Here we will need to agree to differ.


I do not believe that having one single entity with a right to distribute, but not everyone else, is actually significantly better than no one having the right.

That is partly because I cannot see any sort of formal entity continuing more than a few months. But it is also because I think that we want to allow for commercial entities: for example, if someone was to start to offer reconditioned N900 devices, they would want the right to distribute the necessary binaries, if they were not available from Nokia any more. We need to get Nokia to allow the right for anyone to distribute all the material.

Originally Posted by Texrat

I'm frustrated by and disappointed in some of the comments made on this subject, which persist in a counterproductive focus on personalities rather than the critical details.

I continue to see blame assigned for people daring to have a strong opinion one way or the other. Can we please get off of that? Unless it's a case of deliberate trolling, members have every right to express their thoughts on the subject, even if they support a complete dissolution of the maemo community. Keep in mind support != power... even for longtime members. Someone can advocate an end all they like-- that doesn't mean they have the power to bring it about.

Every person has a right to their emotions, and no one has the right to declare those emotions are inappropriate. That's only true of actions.

This thread is about discussion, and no action mentioned by anyone is binding.

It saddens me to see longtime members essentially at each others' throats. Maybe that's hyperbolic, but that's how I perceive some communications. I would like to see the heightened rhetoric ramped down. Separate issues from personalities. Enough blamestorming.

Thanks.

EDIT: this is a general rant and not linked to immediately preceding posts.

Originally Posted by abill_uk

Don't work on communities that are free to join because any twit can join it just to create arguments among members.

Originally Posted by Graham Cobb

Does anyone have any stats on traffic from the repositories? I realise this is hard to measure with the CDN but I was hoping someone gets reports. Preferably with some previous data so we can see some trends. If we don't have data now, can we get some over the next 12 months so we know what the costs would be (whether it is simply provided by a private individual or arranged through a legal entity)?