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mikecomputing	2011-07-31 , 16:49
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

All the links that people are posting on here are NOT from Nokia so why will anyone believe?.

Swedish Nokia has said it and personally I beleive more in them than trolls like you.

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momcilo	2011-07-31 , 17:02
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing

Swedish Nokia has said it and personally I beleive more in them than trolls like you.

Mike, swedish Nokia is there to sell (and repair) phones to people of Sweden. Anything they announce about availability of N9 is probably rock solid.

However, they can not vouch for the several years of support, because somebody else decides/decided on that.

One of the major reasons Apple is the biggest smart phone manufacturer today is "loyality" to/of the customer. IOS always supports last 2-3 devices. It means that people who bought iPhone 3GS, will most likely have latest ios, and continue to spend their money in apple store.

Keeping people to your platform is more important than selling a brand new cell phone.

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mikecomputing	2011-07-31 , 17:14
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Originally Posted by momcilo

Mike, swedish Nokia is there to sell (and repair) phones to people of Sweden. Anything they announce about availability of N9 is probably rock solid.

However, they can not vouch for the several years of support, because somebody else decides/decided on that.

One of the major reasons Apple is the biggest smart phone manufacturer today is "loyality" to/of the customer. IOS always supports last 2-3 devices. It means that people who bought iPhone 3GS, will most likely have latest ios, and continue to spend their money in apple store.

Keeping people to your platform is more important than selling a brand new cell phone.

Again I beleive more in that than I belevieve trolls and whiners in this forum.

Just an example: there are plenty of people on this forum saying N900 is not supported this actually is false!

People also totaly forget the facts that both Symbian and soon S40 and Meego is using much of the same so called "ecosystem" in form of Qt. This was NOT the case of N900 and old symbian where both used totallyu different API.

So if all trolls here are right well then S40 is also not supported in the long run...

And Nokia goes WP for everything and well if trolöl here beleive this happens I must ROTFL.

Again there is no chance Nokia can go only WPx they need S40+Qt and Meego

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gerbick	2011-07-31 , 17:16
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing

Again I beleive more in that than I belevieve trolls and whiners in this forum.

Just an example: there are plenty of people on this forum saying N900 is not supported this actually is false!

Define support.

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jalyst	2011-07-31 , 17:16
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Originally Posted by momcilo

One of the major reasons Apple is the biggest smart phone manufacturer today is "loyality" to/of the customer. IOS always supports last 2-3 devices. It means that people who bought iPhone 3GS, will most likely have latest ios, and continue to spend their money in apple store.

It's possible a similar pattern could kick-in for N9, being the 1st truly commercial Maemo/MeeGo device they've released.

"If" Nokia doesn't continue to limit MeeGo's chances of getting traction...
Or "if" it gets enough traction regardless, so they decide to continue MeeGo (once /yr) alongside WP.

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abill_uk	2011-07-31 , 17:20
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Define support.

This should be interesting

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mikecomputing	2011-07-31 , 17:23
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Define support.

The app framework (In this case Qt) and bugfixes.

That doesnt mean include latest Adobe Flash like some whiners here want on N900.

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jalyst	2011-07-31 , 17:23
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Originally Posted by crisscross

This quote from Elop himself should be proof enough:
"The N9 will be supported by Nokia in the years to come to ensure customers are well served."
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/31/st...e-elops-mouth/

I see he's spouting some of the same FUD he did at the beginning of the yr:
"MeeGo effort could not quickly enough deliver us a range of solutions across price points, radio technologies, etc. for us to effectively compete, so we had to make an alternative decision."

It's more vague this time....
But it looks like he's trying to cite: "MeeGo's inability to adapt quickly to diff. hardware platforms" again.

That was thoroughly debunked by one of his own employees.
http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06...elop-on-meego/

Some of his other argument for the switch held more water (kinda).
But he held-up this one as one of the single biggest reasons, which kinda undermines his integrity.

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abill_uk	2011-07-31 , 17:31
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Originally Posted by jalyst

I see he's spouting some of the same FUD he did at the beginning of the yr:
"MeeGo effort could not quickly enough deliver us a range of solutions across price points, radio technologies, etc. for us to effectively compete, so we had to make an alternative decision."

It's more vague this time....
But it looks like he's trying to cite: "MeeGo's inability to adapt quickly to diff. hardware platforms" again.

That was thoroughly debunked by one of his own employees.
http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06...elop-on-meego/

Some of his other argument for the switch held more water (kinda).
But he held-up this one as one of the single biggest reasons, which kinda undermines his integrity.

You kinda hit the nail then and i was thinking erlier, would we have a rebellion within Nokia if the employee's wanted to clearly support the N9?.

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gerbick	2011-07-31 , 17:34
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing

The app framework (In this case Qt) and bugfixes.

Since the N9 and N900 both use the same ARM processor, not too surprised there. Don't forget that the N8x0's are no longer supported for Qt. Give it time, it will happen in that area as well for the lower spec'd N900.

But no MicroB updates is a problem - can't run Google+ well/at all. Modest is open source, but no major updates there. The WONTFIX issues aren't fixed on the N900.

I wouldn't call that support. It's just yet to be considered obsolete by the frameworks you mentioned. N810 can't go above Qt 4.5 (or 4.6, I forget) and yet it runs Qt.

I'd personally rethink using the term support.