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	zehjotkah	2011-05-30 , 07:38
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby

At the Dublin MeeGo conference, people using Harmattan certainly indicated it wasn't ready. However, in recent weeks I've heard no such talk. Have you been reading that Harmattan is unstable?

Exactly. After 11Feb the development of Harmattan sped up a lot. I don't know exactly why. Perhaps because some employees not satisfied with Harmattan quit their jobs (less bureaucracy) and those who believe in Harmattan are working even harder. In January the device was mostly unusable. Now the UI and most apps are running with 120 FPS.

Originally Posted by sjgadsby

It may be we need to expand our area of search a bit to find the true source of delay.

Two reasons:
1. Harmattan wasn't ready for (consumer-) market
2. The sliding machanism (of the device which was planned to come to market in November) wasn't durable enough (in Nokia terms; have you seen their testing process?)

The second point led to the decision to not sell the device to consumers, because Nokia probably would get a lot of complaints.

Originally Posted by dtergens

lol, I think I saw him this morning with the device in his hand ... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2N7ddjJOkN...s1600/nose.jpg ^^
come on zehjo, it's just a device ...

nice one. laughed a lot.

Originally Posted by Brock

zeh is not paid by nokia or something like that. the thing is that he knows people from nokia or other companys and is providing us the information he is getting

thanks for clarifying.

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momcilo	2011-05-30 , 09:13
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@zehjotkah
Would you like to comment on this one:

http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/05...hscreen-phone/

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	Daneel	2011-05-30 , 09:36
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That IS REALLY COOL! if it works like advertised.
I wonder if some of the "leakers" were talking about this when they said:

you wouldn't want the developer device when you see the commercial one.

Originally Posted by momcilo

@zehjotkah
Would you like to comment on this one:

http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/05...hscreen-phone/

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momcilo	2011-05-30 , 09:39
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Originally Posted by Daneel

That IS REALLY COOL! if it works like advertised.
I wonder if some of the "leakers" were talking about this when they said:

Except for the fact, I will be able to choose from different manufacturers.

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	Daneel	2011-05-30 , 09:41
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Good point. I wonder how long will the chinese take to clone this

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momcilo	2011-05-30 , 10:06
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Originally Posted by Daneel

Good point. I wonder how long will the chinese take to clone this

Yes that is true. It seems that Nokia's desire to keep the technology under the hood is unnecessary now. There are two options now:

Case 1: 2 devices, one without haptics, other with haptics
Case 2: 1 device with haptics

Personally I think we will see Case 1 in action.

While the Japanese device in the video is most certainly technology demonstrator, it is a matter of time before others deliver their devices. So it is about time for them(nokia) to shed more light to us and to start marketing campaign.

Since I've decided not to be an early adopter (sheep), I've decided to wait for one year no matter what Nokia shows us.

Besides the haptics have to prove the durability (another 770 and 810 experience)

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	OVK	2011-05-30 , 11:01
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If I remember it right the list of of Harmattan packages had the "touch sense" package. It should be for haptic feedback.

The thing is: haptics can be done in many ways. Even N900 can emulate some haptics (CSSU has this feature) in a limited way.

However, Nokia has patented a couple of different kinds of methods to create haptic feedback. One sophisticated method is to create haptics on the screen surface by lifting certain small parts of the screen (there is a Nokia patent on that, don't know if there is an actual prototype available).

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	tissot	2011-05-30 , 11:12
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Originally Posted by OVK

However, Nokia has patented a couple of different kinds of methods to create haptic feedback. One sophisticated method is to create haptics on the screen surface by lifting certain small parts of the screen (there is a Nokia patent on that, don't know if there is an actual prototype available).

Like i linked couple of pages ago Nokia demoed their "haptikos" on 700 and N800 in 2007 and back then people where expecting it to be inside the iphone fighter(that came to be 5800....

).
You got liquids inside the phone that raise the screen 0.1mm to form tactile buttons. People that tried it where surprisingly positive back in 2007 already, but i can't see how it works on capacitive screen.

Btw where did people even get idea to all this again?

I just hope some of you who haven't followed these rumor streams on Nokia for past years do understand how you are setting up for a major disappointment if you take all this screen resolution, haptikos, U8500 talk too seriously here.

If you need more rumors, Viipottaja from MR is saying that the patented thing is about materials used on the phone. Try to start guessing that then?

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	OVK	2011-05-30 , 11:24
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Originally Posted by tissot

Like i linked couple of pages ago Nokia demoed their "haptikos" on 700 and N800 in 2007 and back then people where expecting it to be inside the iphone fighter(that came to be 5800.... ).
You got liquids inside the phone that raise the screen 0.1mm to form tactile buttons. People that tried it where surprisingly positive back in 2007 already, but i can't see how it works on capacitive screen.

Missed the links but this is not the same thing I was thinking of. However, some kind of haptics can be taken for granted because of the "sense" packages are there probably for a reason.

Small thing, anyway.

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larux	2011-05-30 , 11:46
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Originally Posted by OVK

Missed the links but this is not the same thing I was thinking of. However, some kind of haptics can be taken for granted because of the "sense" packages are there probably for a reason.

Small thing, anyway.

Did you mean this package:

Code:

TouchSense library ii libinotifytools0                                       3.13-3maemo3+0m6

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