I dont use it.. but I thought the MfE or Exchange sync features were supposed to be much better on the N900 now.. (not better than iphone.. just better than the complaints I read earlier).

I'll merge this below...

I don't agree with that (dummy) for a second..

Nothing the apache web server with a very basic HTML web page wouldn't give you. Or even a free FTP server. There is no reason at all to pay $11.99, or $2.99 for that matter that based on what You have told me. Absolutely everything you just described could be done for free and setup and ready for you in probably 15 minutes or less initial setup time.. and once it's setup it can run like any other app on the phone.

But I do understand one thing: If the N900 does not give you enough to be worth $500 - then obviously I wouldn't ask you to spend $500 on something that doesn't give you enough of a benefit to abandon free. No doubt.

But it seriously comes to question how verbosely you are against things on something that isn't worth it for you. I love you to death gerbick - but sometimes I wonder why you give yourself the gray hairs of coming here being angry when you've already decided that it isn't an option? I don't like Android or the iPhone.... so.. I just don't go to Android or iPhone forums.. I mean really: What good comes from that?

I mean.. you know that I certainly don't want to suggest you leave: You have been and are an asset to the community.. but so far as strictly speaking to the N900: You know it's not the phone that'll help you leave the iPhone trap.. you know that: Why must you continuously pound the nail into the coffin? Why do you argue with people on here that like their phone?

I agree with you 100% that I'm saddened with Nokia's lack of responses to many questions, or hiding a great many things. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Nokia does it much more than any other company - it's just Nokia has an open device, an open community, and open framework here - but still maintain the closed NDA business-model.. so it's more noticeable, and more upsetting here. So we're in agreement there... but ignore Nokia.. screw Nokia for all that matters... I'm looking at devices. As devices go, the N900 is pretty damn good as is.. and I have hopes it'll get better.

reading from previous posts about the first meego device, is the world gonna kill the keyboard and stylus? capacitive is awesome, but the capabilities of additional hardware keyboard surpasses touch-only user experience. why just make those rumored nokia phones like the Nokia x10 and N98? both with capacitive touch and keyboard but with maemo or meego? or is this will gonna be forever a rumor?

It could be set up, agreed. But in this case, I took the quick way out - and paid for it.

I don't want a full-blown Apache daemon running - or that I have to set up a start Apache routine/link - at all times. Click into the app, do what I need, end. No need to kill services, or worry about them. But that's beside the point. If I want to be lazy, in this case I was... I could.

I don't want to treat my phone, something I honestly rely on - as something that might get spikes in mem usage because I didn't anticipate for something outside of parameters. I get paid to handle that on servers. I'll be damned if I do that on my phone just for some file swapping where I'm limited based on their decisions.

Now, past that - you've not used the app, so you see no need for it, I get that - I pound the pavement looking for the answers that will either allow me to comfortably make that final decision and spend that money. I'm doing what almost all people here state ad nauseum - I'm doing research and I'm seeking answers.

Where's the harm in that? I have to ask questions in order to make an informed decision. I do actually use my friends N900 - he lends it to me, he's a bad candidate for it, but it's his spare phone which I used to test the Exchange viability on our network and I decided we will not support it and I used it just last month on a trip to Pittsburgh where I found the GPS to be rather lacking downtown in comparison to the iPhone (which also missed the mark) but I used it mostly because I was monitoring three server farms and wanted to use the N900 - which worked flawlessly.

It seems as if this the kindest request to "Why are you here in the N900 part of the Maemo forums?" I've yet to get... and to be honest. I'm asking more informed folks - occasionally starting a bit of stuff - just to get the answers how some users are using their phones. The whole "It's the BESTEST PHONE EVARR!!!!!1" posts annoy me because they're just too damn vague and settle nothing other than another nob polish session for like-minded folks that say simple statements that hold no value.

People like yourself... I query. I converse. I watch. And I learn from. My stay here is mainly for that... should I stay unhappy with my iPhone, or would I find at least 10% more happiness with a N900? I waited for the iPhone to get where it is presently situated... so I had already endured those growing pains. I'm not a fan of doing that once again with MeeGo, nee Maemo 5. But in order to make that decision, I have to read, I have to ask... I sometimes get some folks (100% unintentionally) upset and I get more of the truth about what they mean when they say "It's the best ever" or "I'm happy with my purchase".

I wrote a glowing report on my N810 purchase. I think I was one of the first 10 to have done so. I've pored over that machine and thoroughly enjoy it... to a point where when I didn't get Mer, I got pissed. When I didn't get Fremantle, I got infuriated.

I don't want to do that again with a N900 and MeeGo. So that's why I'm in these areas.

Guess I want to have one solid reason to jump from the jailbroken iPhone to the N900. I have two more days to make up my mind - my AT&T contract runs out on June 1st.

Thank you for discussing with me things, fatalsaint. As always, I come away from reading your comments a bit brighter. You are a true asset to this community.

Even a dummy like myself needs to state that more often

@gerbick;

I guess the only reason I said what I did is this:

Lately, among these forums, the general tone and feel of the community has deteriorated tremendously. This goes on both ends, the supporters and the anti's are both more aggressive and more unfriendly than ever before that I've seen (from iTT to t.m.o). Now, many like to blame Nokia for this.. Nokia made them unhappy so it's their fault they come here and try to tell everyone they got screwed, shafted, their phone sucks, whatever.

I have seen you in a great many threads, gerbick, repeating the same complaints that many others have: Now granted, valid complaints sure (mostly)- but not always in the friendliest of ways, not always able to remain calm (one side or the other usually says something derogatory and it just goes downhill from there).. and ultimately - it helps to continue to create the same problem that everyone is tired of here.

I've seen you (i'm pretty sure) complain about how a person can come to these forums, ask a simple question (one that has been answered before) - and basically get flamed out of existence.

Does it happen? Yes. But why does it happen? Well, one cop out we could give is just that we have unfriendly people here and just deal with it. But I would take it a bit further: We have so many people here that for, whatever reason, don't like the N900 but insist on repeating that to everyone who ever posts a like for the N900.. that the people who have the answers, who do like their phone, simply start getting fed up, short tempered, and respond more directly than necessary.. if at all.

I understand doing your research and asking questions: but you can't honestly tell me that you always just "ask" a question without loading it first because you already knew the answer. And that, I think, is helping to deteriorate the iTT that we both love(d).

You and I both know that this is not Nokia's complaint forums. While some in Nokia might see your complaints: As history has shown us we can pretty much drop any expectation that we'll change anything within Nokia from here. What I, and I would hope you, gerbick, need to focus on here is the community. The people here, on these forums, they are what matters.

It doesn't matter if tomorrow Nokia becomes Apple... that doesn't mean we stop caring about the people here.. we here are not Nokia. We don't need to be constantly reminded how Nokia has or hasn't failed us... what matters here, is how can the community compensate for what we've been failed? How can we make the best of what we've got?

It seems to me.. too many people have lost sight of that. It's sad really.... and I certainly don't mean to single you out Gerbick.. of the people here that have complaints: You are the least problematic one I've seen - as you are the most (consistently speaking) constructive about it. With anyone else, this likely would have become a flame war - but I honestly needed to talk with someone that I constantly see on the opposite side of the N900 debate to really understand the "why". I knew I could involve you and get some straight answers... so I thank you for that.

I truly do hope, for all our sakes, that MeeGo is fully functional on the N900. And in that end.. I hope to be able to help where I can make that a possibility.

FUD my ***. All in with Maemo 5 ? are you nuts ?

If they go all in, they would have invested in proper Ovi maps, done a proper Ovi Store, made the annoucement with flash and most importantly, added Meego. They would have supported the n900 with all their effort to make it all it could be and user them as marketing points.

You serious think they are going "ALL IN" when a CRAP ovi maps like they have now ? or a CRAP store with only a few (not even open yet !) apps ? or not had the next iteration of OS ? Or no flash ? All of which gives competitors talking points to deride the n900 with ? If you are, you SUCK at marketing.

The reason why all of the above is not done is $$$ bottom line.

As for launching it in India and Hong Kong etc, this is harvesting the product for all the cash it can generate. If the product is developed and they are not investing any more for it, the logical course of action is to flog the device to anyone that will buy it to get as much return as possible so they can focus on their next product.

Even Qt - why do you think they take that direction ? Because once that done "lack of apps" issue is all in the dev's hands. Their hands are clean - no need to do more. Its a logical cut off.

As for CRYING about flash - guess what - Nokia marketing the n900 as an INTERNET MULTIMEDIA tablet with FLASH as a major selling point that made it BETTER then other phones. Now when flash upgrades they dont upgrade it as well ? Maybe YOU dont feel decieved, but plenty of people do and they are right to be pissed about it when they lose access to content they previously could access when sites upgrade to new flash 10.1

Christ its not as if I am ANTI n900 - the n900 is an exceptional product and is the uberchoice for a segment of users. Its multitasking ability and ability to play xvid vids and its current browsers are all breat. What I am pissed off about is Nokia's mishandling of it and the screwing of its customers. You guys defend Nokia as if they have done a sterling job.

Fanboys here react to any criticism by deriding it as "FUD !", when Nokia's past behaviour on the nxx series has proven their lack of customer support orientation. THe SUPER IRONIC thing is one of the responses by most here to customers who feel disappointed in the product is that "YOU DIDNT DO YOUR HOMEWORK !" and that users should ONLY BUY THE N900 for what it is NOW and that if they expected anymore, it was their OWN DAMN FAULT.

THen when confronted with points stating that new users should only buy N900 what WHAT IT IS NOW and do not expect any support from Nokia going forward, fanboys turn around and say "FUD !"

Get your story straight. You think you are better then Apple Fanboys ? well you are not, because you cant see past the logical inconsistency in your own stories.

I don't load my questions.

Texrat and now you have both assumed so. And honestly, I have to fully disagree with that assumption.

I complain about things ad nauseum because those concerns have yet to be settled.

As far as the deterioration from the iTT days to now, I have to cite the overly aggressive new N900 owners that prance about like they own the place and ultimately add very little other than "I own this, do you?" and are quicker to push aside (in a lot of the cases) a honest grievance that is just poorly worded.

If you feel as if I'm adding to the decline to this site... then how about this.

I'll stop in the N900 sections posting out of respect.

I'm sorry, Frappacinio. You are ever so right

I am not going to get into a bickering contest here.. I just know that I've seen a few quotes from you where you replied to someone praising the N900 with a rather.. facetious?.. method of questioning them since you already knew they could not do what it was you were bring to light.

A) I agree to a point. But not all N900 owners are like that, and there at least as many disgruntled and angry former/current N900 that are equally unhelpful as there are new N900 fanboys that are useless.

B) All I meant was that some of attitudes around (probably my own included.. as I've had some bad days here) - are helping to contribute to that fact.

I would only want someone to leave a particular part of a forum if they had nothing to contribute. By that I mean: Instead of just being upset over not officially getting MeeGo or Flash on the N900 - how about helping with ideas on how we can get MeeGo and Flash on the N900 unofficially. That was my point.

Instead of the attitude of "You can't, because Nokia hates you." I think we need to have the attitude of "Well, Nokia won't do it: How can we? Let's try this.."

I really didn't mean for you to take things so personally. While I do think what I said applies to you in a very limited way - it was more of a general analysis of the overall feel that I have been seeing on the bored. Not an overall analysis of your specific posts. My implication of your loaded questioning was merely to bring to light that you are not guilt-free of some of the negativity around here.. nor do I myself claim to be a saint (my name may be misleading, I know ).

What I wanted to do was to try to get us on the same page: Instead of saying "No", because Nokia won't do it... let's instead explore the possibility of "Yes", through an alternative route.

With your knowledge and experience you don't need an N900 to be able to come up with ideas on how to achieve something we are lacking. Maybe, through your own ideas and contributions, one of us will be able to take your input - and make that one final 10% that you so desperately are waiting to see to get the N900. That was my point.

I've told you before, I'll say it again - that I believe you are an asset gerbick. I just feel as if lately, you've let yourself feel so betrayed by Nokia that you aren't contributing as much as I know you could; and instead have gotten a more defeatist attitude. I just wanted to get back the gerbick that had ideas, recommendations, and a happy spirit to come back for a while.. instead of the let down friend I see today.

I'm sorry.. I won't continue to draw you out anymore. Feel free to stay, don't leave out of respect for me - I believe you misread some of the points I was trying to make.

Last post in this area, I promise.

I didn't take it personal and I never have considered myself a saint. I'm about as susceptible as the next to play devil's advocate. Some users declare wildly vague things... and I wonder what's behind those statements.

"It's the best, eh? How so?" and it's met with such anger that it's almost surprising. And as of late, less surprising.

I got your points, but honestly I like this board - I did come from the iTT days - enough to not want to add to the negativity.

I have more things to finish around the unfinished areas for the N810, another guide to moving things around, saving space, et al.

I think most of this discussion about openness is not taken from the right angle.

Basing your platform in mainstream Linux and open source components makes a whole difference for platform development.

It actually has also important implications for application development (generic programming language, wide public APIs) , although a closed but popular platform with a rich API can get you to a similar level of benefits.

It has little implications for end users, except for those really interested in platform tinkering and applications with a Linux or software freedom agenda.

No more, no less.