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szopin	2016-01-03 , 17:20
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Originally Posted by zenecho

Its not the same, Gnu/linux was originally "open", in the sense that there was not one single company that was selling linux. various companys then grew up from it , forking it, shipping a particular version, etc.

Jolla as a company only has "Sailfish", its not as they have said "its crown jewels" its their only jewels. I dont think Jolla as a company is trustworthy. They open it up, bang some one else will fork it, Hello new and better Sailfish - Goodbye Jolla.

Jolla had its stallmen and Torvalds but that boat has already sailed.

I think the tabletgate is going to cost Jolla dearly.

I would still love a Sailfish tablet though

Start your own copy of debian zedebian and become RHEL business, without companies using your distro there is no money to be made in support, good luck with zenedebian

	Dave999	2016-01-03 , 17:22
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Originally Posted by strongm

Dave, just to remind you - apart from those who pre-ordered from the webshop - people's jolla (tablet perk) money is already a donation

Ok...a donation or not. Doesn't matter what you call it. It was to tablet then, and was funded 480%. Not to sailfish development

I have the right to complain about how jolla doing business and using the money. I simply do not trust them until they compensate the backers and customers and see no way for them continue to function until this situation is solved.

If jolla asks for money with nothing in return. It's a donation. If you ask for money for something then using stretch goals to get more then...

...waiting for jolla to do the right thing or die trying.

I guess we have different view of how doing business...nothing wrong with that.

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prometheus	2016-01-03 , 17:25
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Originally Posted by strongm

Dave, just to remind you - apart from those who pre-ordered from the webshop - people's jolla (tablet perk) money is already a donation

No it is not. Read Terms of Use on IGG official website.

	pichlo	2016-01-03 , 17:31
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Originally Posted by szopin

Sorry, but you seemed like a few peeps here who are just annoyed by Jolla and never give good reasons.

Right. So everyone who does not sing praises about Glorious Jolla sounds like a few peeps here who are just annoyed by Jolla and never give good reasons. Oh the blessed simplicity of a black-and-white world!

BTW, I have seen a few peeps here who are annoyed at Jolla but all of them gave good reasons as far as I can see. If you decide to be partially blind to anything that does not fit your paradigm then that is your own problem. You blame people like ZogG and prometheus for "spewing vitriol" but you are no better. They at least give reasons for their beliefs and do not turn personal.

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	pichlo	2016-01-03 , 17:47
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Originally Posted by Dave999

I have the right to complain about how jolla doing business and using the money. I simply do not trust them until they compensate the backers and customers.

You have the right to complain. They have the right to not ship (as it was a donation, like it or not). You have the right not to trust them any more.

I for one do not trust them even if they compensate the backers. The main damage has already been done: they lied to us. Multiple times. Screw the money, screw the tablet. The real loss is the loss of trust. There is no way I am going to believe that someone who has lied to me 3 times is suddenly going to turn around and become all honest the 4th time. I feel sorry for anyone who does.

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	Dave999	2016-01-03 , 17:49
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Originally Posted by pichlo

You have the right to complain. They have the right to not ship (as it was a donation, like it or not). You have the right not to trust them any more.

I for one do not trust them even if they compensate the backers. The main damage has already been done: they lied to us. Multiple times. Screw the money, screw the tablet. The real loss is the loss of trust. There is no way I am going to believe that someone who has lied to me 3 times is suddenly going to turn around and become all honest the 4th time. I feel sorry for anyone who does.

so then it's 2-1 to me vs jolla

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szopin	2016-01-03 , 18:09
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Originally Posted by pichlo

Right. So everyone who does not sing praises about Glorious Jolla sounds like a few peeps here who are just annoyed by Jolla and never give good reasons. Oh the blessed simplicity of a black-and-white world!

BTW, I have seen a few peeps here who are annoyed at Jolla but all of them gave good reasons as far as I can see. If you decide to be partially blind to anything that does not fit your paradigm then that is your own problem. You blame people like ZogG and prometheus for "spewing vitriol" but you are no better. They at least give reasons for their beliefs and do not turn personal.

ffs, it wasn't about you, you're not an actual n900 coder that people respect like marxian, meant other people. You are dad-joke, recode whole Qt in 64kb type, I hate jolla and whine about everything because this is how we show love type of guy, this was not about you, relax

	ZogG	2016-01-03 , 18:11
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Originally Posted by szopin

haha, never change, sooooo... about that failure of a company that no longer exists, oh wait it does, and continues to develop an awesome system, made a thread for you to do your little dance, but seems you can only back down now on your predictions, let us know what 2016 will bring nostradamus

I never told there would be no jolla, I said they failing at everything, but I was wrong — enjoy your tablet, mate

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szopin	2016-01-03 , 18:13
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Originally Posted by ZogG

I never told there would be no jolla, I said they failing at everything, but I was wrong — enjoy your tablet, mate

Ordered 32 Gb and was already sent invite months ago, so I hope I will prove you... right? wrong? whatever, will send pics :P Enjoy your hate mate

	ZogG	2016-01-03 , 18:19
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Originally Posted by szopin

ffs, it wasn't about you, you're not an actual n900 coder that people respect like marxian, meant other people. You are dad-joke, recode whole Qt in 64kb type, I hate jolla and whine about everything because this is how we show love type of guy, this was not about you, relax

Wait what? WTF mate, nothing to say you call people names? People who haven't code anything can't have a opinion? (interesting if you did anything useful yourself)

And just to explain to you I'll show what you did.

ffs, it wasn't about you, you're not an actual n900 coder that people respect like marxian, meant other people. You are dad-joke, Jolla will save the world, they are the best. I'll give them money while they pee on my head, this was not about you, relax

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