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2011-06-02
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Originally Posted by benny1967
ok, youll have to let me know what sort of imaginary line that ive crossed? ive been respectful, although repeatedly denied the same respect/restraint that ive shown. never called anyone any names, i wasnt rude, i merely pointed out contradictions/discrepancies. if you have a problem with dissent, then theres nothing i can do for you. you need to learn from it and move forward. denigrating my post as gabble, and not substantiating that gabble in anyway is offensive and i feel just the same about your post, but i will not attack you at the behest of someone else, who if they did have the credibility wouldnt need to have someone else defend their position.
You're crossing the line. Really. I'm glad zeh, a long standing and respected member of this community, is still with us and endures your gabble. It takes a lot to build the reputation he has. There were quite a lot of occasions when he was the first to give us hints about things to come. More important, he really invests a lot of effort into this community and the ecosystem around it.
You, on the other hand, aren't really known for any such thing. You just enter the classroom and yell at the teacher because your hormones run wild. - You're free to not believe zeh (because, as always, things can change quickly and last minute management decisions can't be predicted), but I'd expect you show at least some respect. Also, I'd have guessed that saying "I don't believe you" would be enough to make your point. You can't prove anything, can you? So why do you keep nagging at him?
if he gave you hints before fine, continue to ride. i just wont, theres nothing IN THIS THREAD that he has provided as accurate/verifiable information. everything said is contrary to what we have AS FACTS.
thank you for reducing me to a hormone addled human, i appreciate that, its ironic that you dont even take your own advice and expect me to.
i dont agree with him, i dont agree with how/why he spread falsehoods (by his own admission).
i take it youve read nothing ive written because my point isnt to disprove him, only to allow some pause before he posts rumors. the thing is that i just want everyone to wait and see, thats what ive been saying for the start, but everyone is so starved for information that they cling on the slightest of whispers, its not good for expectations. im trying to remain balanced but some constituents here cannot see that.
patience
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2011-06-02
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah
thanks for the clip, useful i suspect in this battle of babbling. still its quite clear to me and anyone else that, that ISNT a device that nokia would film ... ever. so i point again to the teaser, to which i would say, why make a teaser for a devices thats going into hundreds (extrapolated from the N900 distro) of hands. waste of money.
again, you were not reading. I said that the case was different. And I'm not speaking of the 400 distributed pre-release N900s (300 distributed at the maemo conference and 100 directly to devs).
Here is the proof, as wished:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0
Okay, then tell me in your endless wisdom: how should I proof something without revealing any of my sources? I can't take photos, because there are 100s of different prototypes out there, so I can't know if the one I would "leak" is a little bit different, revealing my source. I can't tell anything too much specific about the UI because in just some month it changed from unsuable to very usable, so I don't know how many of the folks in possession of a device already flashed, again making it easier to track down my sources.
And so on.
The only thing I can do is hint so others find out.
No, I'm not holding to his idea that there is overstock. I said that they can't sell these devices because:
a) back in November: not finished software
b) now nearly finished software but
1. old (internal) hardware
2. problems with the external hardware (sliding mechanism) wasn't solved so they won't get in the hands of customers who are able to claim warranty.
I was completely well informed. I just was informed very late (the decision to not distribute the devices was made just days before). You can't hold that against me. I informed you guys as soon as I got the information/as soon as I got back to my hotel room/Laptop with internet access.
What means first hand? I do get my information from folks using the devices. I call that first hand. You're suggesting me to go to MR-forums? the site from Eldar (afaik). After I said that I don't believe any of the nonsense he's spitting after Nokia kicked him out? Sorry, but I *have* to assume that you're not reading.
hehe, thanks.
in my wisdom, its better not to say anything at all ...
the hinge rumor is the same rumor for the E7 ... so i dont buy it one bit, nokia fudged two hinges that are completely different 2x ... i doubt that greatly. what i dont doubt is a rumor infecting multiple devices.
first hand, means that you are the source of the information. not friend or an intermediary.
my mantra will be june 25th we'll know!
again,
patience
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Originally Posted by benny1967
if you have a problem with my prose, ignore me. else deal with it
I don't disagree with what you said. (Basically because there just isn't much content that one could agree or disagree with.)
It's only that how you said it is intolerable.
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2011-06-02
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Originally Posted by lardman
The fuss is that the consumer oriented device which people will be able to buy has no keyboard. And thats the truth.
I really don't understand all this fuss over a hw keyboard - the FCC docs quite clearly state that the device has a hw keyboard, what is the confusion all about?
P.S. I am also one of those people who must have a hw keyboard before anyone berates me for that without reading what I typed above.
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2011-06-02
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could we stop talking about how usefull and needed a hwkb is? and about all of you who would never ever buy a device without it?
Everybody here knows that many people here wouldnt buy a device without a keyboard and thats ok.
but think about that:
i think everybody agrees that the mass (the american idol watching guys, not us) wants a slim device (without a hwkb) and nokia wants to sell as many phones as possible, so i agree with nokia that their decision is the best to make money and to (maybe) "disrupt" the market.
my advice for hwkb-lovers: buy the device, regardless of having the hwkb or not. If the N9 (without hwkb) sells well, nokia could thing about a sucessor (or "sister" model) with a keyboard. but if it doesnt sell well, nokia would be confirmed about their decision going wp.
So, if you want a maemo/meego device next year, buy a maemo/meego phone this year and hope for a big hit.
and guys, always remember the name of this forum, its not hwkbdevices.org
Everybody here knows that many people here wouldnt buy a device without a keyboard and thats ok.
but think about that:
i think everybody agrees that the mass (the american idol watching guys, not us) wants a slim device (without a hwkb) and nokia wants to sell as many phones as possible, so i agree with nokia that their decision is the best to make money and to (maybe) "disrupt" the market.
my advice for hwkb-lovers: buy the device, regardless of having the hwkb or not. If the N9 (without hwkb) sells well, nokia could thing about a sucessor (or "sister" model) with a keyboard. but if it doesnt sell well, nokia would be confirmed about their decision going wp.
So, if you want a maemo/meego device next year, buy a maemo/meego phone this year and hope for a big hit.
and guys, always remember the name of this forum, its not hwkbdevices.org
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2011-06-02
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Originally Posted by lardman
Since WHEN does the FCC state that it is THE consumer device?
I really don't understand all this fuss over a hw keyboard - the FCC docs quite clearly state that the device has a hw keyboard, what is the confusion all about?
P.S. I am also one of those people who must have a hw keyboard before anyone berates me for that without reading what I typed above.
Btw. I am sure 90% of people here doesnt even have a clue what the hell FCC really is about.
People only repeating FCC says blablablablablablablabla.
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2011-06-02
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Originally Posted by shady
FCC can be on any phone, and teaser may be shopped. And maybe you leave in a simulated reality. There no "facts", there are confidence percentages (strictly between 0 and 1) on pieces of information. zehjotkah information have strictly positive confidence, so unless you can prove that wrong (ie that they are 100% wrong), please, stop posting nonsense.
if he gave you hints before fine, continue to ride. i just wont, theres nothing IN THIS THREAD that he has provided as accurate/verifiable information. everything said is contrary to what we have AS FACTS.
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2011-06-02
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Originally Posted by Brock
So your wonderful idea is to buy a device that lacks a hw feature i require in HOPES of Nokia to make a sister device with a hw kb. So what your saying is waste more money on Nokia and hope they do the right thing??? Brother Nokia haven't been doing the right thing since the lack of support for the N900. In these hard times NO ONE is thinking about the later they are thinking now. Make me the device I want no or I will take my business else to someone who can. I love and support maemo/meego like the next red blooded geek but if I'm about to drop 400-600 or maybe more on a device it damn well better be with everything I require out of a device. And I'm a simple man hw kb open os thats all with decent specs and I will macguyver the rest of the stuff I need.
could we stop talking about how usefull and needed a hwkb is? and about all of you who would never ever buy a device without it?
Everybody here knows that many people here wouldnt buy a device without a keyboard and thats ok.
but think about that:
i think everybody agrees that the mass (the american idol watching guys, not us) wants a slim device (without a hwkb) and nokia wants to sell as many phones as possible, so i agree with nokia that their decision is the best to make money and to (maybe) "disrupt" the market.
my advice for hwkb-lovers: buy the device, regardless of having the hwkb or not. If the N9 (without hwkb) sells well, nokia could thing about a sucessor (or "sister" model) with a keyboard. but if it doesnt sell well, nokia would be confirmed about their decision going wp.
So, if you want a maemo/meego device next year, buy a maemo/meego phone this year and hope for a big hit.
and guys, always remember the name of this forum, its not hwkbdevices.org
P.S. Not attacking your post my man I get what your saying I just not going to be buying device after device and hope Nokia make what I want later.
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2011-06-02
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Originally Posted by erendorn
i like how you are blindly ignoring the US Government, and Nokia.
FCC can be on any phone, and teaser may be shopped. And maybe you leave in a simulated reality. There no "facts", there are confidence percentages (strictly between 0 and 1) on pieces of information. zehjotkah information have strictly positive confidence, so unless you can prove that wrong (ie that they are 100% wrong), please, stop posting nonsense.
fcc: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...d=%27LJPRM-680
i dont know what else i can do for you on this one, if you deny the agency that controls the US Frequencies, then i can see why you listen to the man mumbling on the side of the street.
teaser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckBtXFSbaQg
shopped? where did the photos come from? listen to the song, know that its called "jessies girl"
nokia: http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...tion-at-nokia/
"But the possibilities are endless… and very exciting. We can’t wait to show you more – maybe a sneak peek at “Jessie’s Girl” – in the weeks to come."
i cant help you other than that, but if you hold zehjoktah's word over these, that is your prerogative, but do not condemn me for using these as my basis of observation regarding the MeeGo.Harm device.
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2011-06-02
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Originally Posted by Brock
Hahah. Here's how I imagine it going down "Hey Stephen, our assessment of the market trends was right. Kbdless was what they wanted. Look at how many we sold. Since we are making so much money, let's just pull a kbd version out of our back-side and sell it to these loyal customers who really didn't want the version they bought but the version we're going to sell them next. Yeah, that's exactly what we should do!"
my advice for hwkb-lovers: buy the device, regardless of having the hwkb or not. If the N9 (without hwkb) sells well, nokia could thing about a sucessor (or "sister" model) with a keyboard. but if it doesnt sell well, nokia would be confirmed about their decision going wp.
If Nokia doesn't sell a kbd device we should wait until someone else does. We then buy one ourselves and convince our friend that's it's right for them. If Nokia doesn't understand their customers, give your money to someone who does.
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Here is the proof, as wished:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0
And so on.
The only thing I can do is hint so others find out.
a) back in November: not finished software
b) now nearly finished software but
1. old (internal) hardware
2. problems with the external hardware (sliding mechanism) wasn't solved so they won't get in the hands of customers who are able to claim warranty.
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