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2008-09-23 , 14:43
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Texrat: ...You haven't commented on Baloo, Handful, or rm_you yet in that picture.
Here you go qole

http://www.linuxuk.org/node/57
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2008-09-23 , 14:47
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For anyone that want to view the keynote speech -

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...00227081119637

I do warn you that my lovely high-def recording was butchered by google video. I would upload to vimeo or something like that but they have a 500mb limit per month and I have 65gb of video to first transcode, add slides and upload!

I'm still looking for a better solution.
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2008-09-23 , 16:23
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Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
For anyone that want to view the keynote speech -

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...00227081119637

I do warn you that my lovely high-def recording was butchered by google video. I would upload to vimeo or something like that but they have a 500mb limit per month and I have 65gb of video to first transcode, add slides and upload!

I'm still looking for a better solution.
Maybe Andrew Black would host some of your video over on maemobox.org?
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Only if we can make a rule about you and juvenile internet memes.
Make a list and I'll do my best.
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There is a nice overview of Maemo 5 here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...tablet-os.html
He was a really nice guy, fun to hang out with. And that's a good article.
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I can say first hand that Nokia had VoIP in mind when developing the 770. Nokia is not directly aiming at the telco business; they are doing an end around.
Ah, but the 770 was not a phone... This is the whole point of this discussion: telcos don't care about Nokia developping a voip phone as long as it uses wifi. It's when it uses the cell network that they get touchy. Heck, even Apple said that they don't mind voip on the iPhone as long as it uses wifi only.

So, I certainly agree that Nokia had voip in mind when developping the 770. Nokia is a phone company, voip was a natural to them. And at that time it looked like wifi networks would grow to be a real alternative.

3 years latter and the picture has changed. It is now pretty clear that wifi will not be an alternative. It was easy to predict (and I remember I said so at the time): the telcos, most notably t-online, were already buying existing wifi networks (like in train stations in Germany at the time) and made sure that they were not cheaper than umts. Wifi has become a niche system, restricted to the odd internet cafe or to speed iTunes downloads at starbucks. And people want ubiquitous data, especially if they are going to use their device as a phone. So 3G it will be, and at the conditions the telcos dictate.


Only: I am not really sure what the point of the N900 is. Most recent Symbian phones (all E- and N-series) already can browse the web, get e-mail and have a built-in sip client. That sip client already can be configured to run over umts, btw. Even that (voip over umts) is old news, my N80i has been able to do that for 2 years. And it has the perfect ergonomy for it, because... well: it is a phone.

So: sorry, but I miss the point of the N900. What is revolutionary about it? It runs a free os? Heck, even the iPhone runs BSD and we know how "un-free" it is. It can browse the web? Duh. You can write software for it? Fantastic. It's got a gorgeous screen? So what?

I mean: I like my N810, it's a very nice little computer, but I am not really sure where Nokia is heading to. Actually, it looks like Nokia does not know where they are heading to themselves. So, please tell me: what is the point of the N900?
 
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What I doubt (but I don't see the future) are:
-that a voip enabled cellphone would disrupt the market. My e51 can use voip over hsdpa out of the box, BTW.
-that this is Nokia's idea for the N900. Telcos are Nokia's main customers. I don't see Nokia directly aiming at their business.

Besides, telcos have an ace up their sleeve: they can always lower call rates to voip levels. I explained why this technically a better solution for them. I can also say that they can afford it: call charges make only a fraction of their business nowaday (less than half in Germany). Of course this may not be sufficient, since the customers are not rational in their choice and strongly believe that voip is "free" while cell rates are "expensive" whatever the price actually is.
Doubt all you like. The fact is that the model is being inverted. Eventually VoIP will be THE way to conduct calls.

Any company involved in this industry would be mistaken in assuming the current telco model will persist forever. The writing is already on the wall. And based on history, I don't see most of the telcos, especially those here in the US, demonstrating the sufficient agility to adapt with the user market. ISPs on the other hand, can and do. They lack the stifling legacy.

With few exceptions, the telcos are throwing token efforts at wireless change. I suspect a few CEOs are gonna wake up one day wondering "WTF???"



EDIT: oh, and Nokia is no longer considered a mere "phone company".

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Actually, it looks like Nokia does not know where they are heading to themselves. So, please tell me: what is the point of the N900?
As usual, you assume too much and too hastily. Nokia does know.

And if you have to ask the point of upcoming tablets, then I'm wondering how receptive you would be to any answers...
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When idle however, the devices uses about 50-70 mA. Completely shutting it down (to standby) might on longer run be worth it. Top optimize battery life that is something to be looked into IMO.
That is because the power was already low enough compared to the "idle" current of a laptop. For real mobile devices the number is ridiculously high and even the worst phone can do far better than that.
 

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Any company involved in this industry would be mistaken in assuming the current telco model will persist forever. The writing is already on the wall. And based on history, I don't see most of the telcos, especially those here in the US, demonstrating the sufficient agility to adapt with the user market. ISPs on the other hand, can and do. They lack the stifling legacy.
in other words, ISP's deliver a utility, telco's deliver a service. the former is highly flexible, but income is soso, the latter is very rigid, but income can be quite impressive.
 
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EDIT: oh, and Nokia is no longer considered a mere "phone company".
Right. My TV-set is made by Nokia.
 
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