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My-Symbian.com	2009-11-26 , 05:40
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy

My-Symbian, no offense but you have made no valid points so far.

I really can't do much about you being 100% proof to arguments. The only thing you're able to accept is that people AGREE with you. So sorry, but in such circumstances I can't serve you with anything you'd consider valid.

you used my-symbian.com to demonstrate (very light site) instead of engadget

I had no idea what website you used as my video was an answer (requested by my forum users) to a QUOTE from your message posted on my forums, which did not mention which site you had problems with. I found this thread some 20 hours after publishing the video. Dates speak for themselves.

- you scrolled pages at a very low zoom level so there is basically almost nothing to scroll

I scrolled the pages at a zoom level I normally use. If you're used to iPhone's zoom levels where you constantly need to scroll left & right and up & down then it really isn't my fault.

the RSS reader had 2 text entries you were scrolling which was addressed in my RSS video

Ask those who host the site the feed comes from to be more active. I really can't do much about them publishing so rarely.

you did not address the issues about the music widget I brought up at all but instead used media player.

Because in your original message you didn't say ANYTHING about the widget. Instead you ran a competition of namecalling about the N900 not supporting A2DP at all. Be more precise next time and you'll get more precise feedback.

Then, the posts you made here are about the iPhone alone. Why?

Because I am a free man in a free world and I can freely express my opinions about anything, including the iPhone, which for me isn't a holy cow.

Why are we comparing it to the iPhone

And what would you expect people to compare it to? Feature phones?

when I posted several videos that clearly showed how crappy the scrolling is.

Your videos aren't religious dogmas no one is allowed to disagree with. What's cr*ppy for you does not automatically have to be cr*ppy for everyone else.

Who cares if the iPhone is smooth or not?

Well, according to what you compared the N900 with, it's..... YOU.

We are talking about the N900 here.

I have different sense of "talking" than constantly using words like cr*p, garbage, etc. That's where we differ.

Why are we bringing up the age of the device? THIS IS MAEMO 5, not 1, 2, 3, or 4. What are you saying?

And what does it have to do with scrolling in browser getting unsmooth for 3 miliseconds? Do you consider it a platform-wide issue? Or maybe it's the Linux kernel responsible for that?

Why are we trying to compare things to 2-3 years ago when the iPhone was out? THIS IS NOT 3 YEARS AGO.

Because three years from now, when Nokia releases N990 and it has an issue, you will say that it is a three year old platform and such issues shouldn't be happening. Do you sense the analogy?

I still get accusations of how petty my problems are.

No offence, but your problems (no matter if petty or serious) don't interest me much and I have much better things to do than recording such videos at 4:00 in the morning. I posted the video ON REQUEST of users of my forum so that THEY can jugde themselves if the issues are of any importance FOR THEM. THEY requested it so they got it.

1. Browser has some sort of performance degradation issues. The longer the phone is on, the slower it seems to get.
2. The browser crashes randomly. (at least once a day so far)
3. Device was not accepting any calls even though it was running perfectly. A friend called me on my other phone and I rebooted the N900 bringing it back to normal. Obviously the phone part somehow crashed with no indication what so ever.
4. Device was stuck in portrait mode just tonight. I had to reboot the device to make it switch back to landscape again.

I'd suggest that you contact Nokia and have the unit replaced. The Korean worker who assembled your phone must have had a very bad day or too much alcohol the day before. That's the only explanation I can give considering that the browser on my device does not crash and the phone doesn't stop accepting calls. And, as I said, I've been using the N900 daily since the beginning of September.

Or maybe, considering that I got the phone from Nokia, they made a BETTER unit especially for me

You want to talk about GPUs and graphics performance?

As long as it explains why scrolling on the N900 may be slower, which is the issue you are complaining about, YES.

How about the fact that the phone can't scroll 5 images without noticeable deformation and tearing of the images?

Yeah, how about it? Strangely, it doesn't seem to be happening on mine, and not even on the early proto I had before.

Stop making excuses for this device and Nokia.

I couldn't be farther from making excuses for Nokia than I am. My N900 preview had a longer list of drawbacks than advantages and the full review I'm going to post soon will have an even longer one, now that I know that some of the issues weren't prototype only but got to the final release.

But my experiences just CAN be different than yours, things that annoy or disappoint me CAN be different than what annoys or disappoints you, and I also MAY have different NEEDS and EXPECTATIONS than you causing that what makes the N900 a "crap" and a "garbage" for you, for me isn't of absolutely ANY importance.

For instance, I'd happily agree to have that scrolling issue in the browser over the next FIVE YEARS in exchange for Nokia giving me voice dialling (a must for me) and full navigation software ASAP.

As you can see: DIFFERENT PEOPLE, DIFFERENT NEEDS AND EXPECTATIONS. Just because for someone your issues aren't that important (while some others - uniportant for you - are) doesn't make one a paid Nokia fanboy.

They have no excuses left after the slew of crappy phones they put out in the past few years (which I own quite a few of). [...] Nokia is not the measuring stick anymore and has not been for some time. Learn from your mistakes and improve your products or go die a lonely death. There are so many other options out there that nobody will care Nokia...really.

And knowing all the above so clearly, why did you get such a cr*ppy product of such a cr*ppy company IN THE FIRST PLACE? Shouldn't you be more CAUTIOUS if you have such a tragic experiences with them and their cr*ppy phones?

I'd say next time test drive their product before buying, or blame yourself...

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gerbick	2009-11-26 , 05:58
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Originally Posted by My-Symbian.com

Do you want me to search for WHAT?

Search for "random reboots" - it was in the context to whom I was responding to earlier.

Here, I've done the work for you - [ enjoy ]

For that *I* (I mean me, myself) have not experienced any reboots over THREE MONTHS of using the device? I didn't. Believe it or not, at your preference.

That's you. There are others that are saying otherwise. It's a few people, but it's happening. Cannot deny that.

Am I allowed to express my opinions?

Of course you are. Even when they're wrong, or hyperbole. Continue...

It was me who said that neither the N900, nor the iPhone, nor anything else is perfect.

And sadly, people keep talking about the iPhone when... it's a non-issue. Somebody say something bad about the N900... "GO BACK TO YOUR IPHONE!"

Meh.

What is that you don't understand, or accept, about it?

I don't accept fanboys of any type. I think even you can understand that statement.

I don't like being a judge in my own case, so please visit my website - My-Symbian.com - which I've been running for 10 years now, and ask any of our 130.000 registered users if over all those years I gave anyone any reasons to consider me a fanatic or a fanboy and therefore if anyone considers me as such.

You have a site that supports another, single market (by name and admission). And if this is how you run your site, I kindly decline.

Broken record, huh?

Only when aptitude, attitude, ineptitude or inability to hear is imminent. I seem to be dealing with one of the above.

And you consider it buggy based on WHAT? Have you ever even just touched it?

I have you people for that. Tell how it's not buggy.

[ Won't charge ]
[ Bricked already ]
[ Mic problems ]
[ Mem card corrupted ]

And search the bug reports. 77+ bugs, about 5-7 are critical. That's not bad, but that's not what I'd call "not buggy". Savvy?

Definitely not worse than how you twisted the "iPhone isn't perfect" sentence of mine.... Mutuality is a virtue.

How did I twist it? iPhone ain't perfect. There are no filler words in that sentence. Don't add any more, I think my curt responses disallow for that.

Or it should. Toodles.

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	daperl	2009-11-26 , 06:18
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Originally Posted by johnnyrockets911

Do you have a blog or anything about coding for Maemo?

No, I'm a complete hack, but I consider myself a better-than-average Googler. I do submit snippets to forums occasionally and I've ported stuff to where no one as gone before; maybe 2010 will be the year of the daperl desktop. And although I'm formally trained in the computer sciences, I do as much begging, borrowing and stealing as I do reading API references and tutorials. The Maemo repositories are a gold mine: There's everything from "Hello World" to building your own kernel. I also highly recommend the PyGTK examples and demos. Next step, Qt...

I love tweaking code etc, but I'm just wondering, where do you start?

Good to hear. Would you mind telling me a little about your technical background and types of projects that interest you? In the meantime, here are some links:

http://maemo.org/development/
http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/...eveloper_Guide
http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/
http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html
http://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listi...emo-developers

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Laughing Man	2009-11-26 , 06:21
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Originally Posted by gerbick

I have you people for that. Tell how it's not buggy.

[ Won't charge ]
[ Bricked already ]
[ Mic problems ]
[ Mem card corrupted ]

It remains to be seen if it's an n900 + firmware issue or just a hardware defect. Considering not everyone is having the same problem. If it's a defect issue it's not an issue of being buggy, rather it's there needs to be even better quality control.

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My-Symbian.com	2009-11-26 , 06:36
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Search for "random reboots" - it was in the context to whom I was responding to earlier.

For the third time: why do you expect me to search for what I have thoroughly tested on MY OWN device?

I am very sorry for those who have such issues, but what am I supposed to do? Damage my N900 so that it develops the same problem? Solidarity in pain?

Or maybe I am supposed not to talk about not having such issues myself so that it does not annoy those who prefer to only see complaints?

That's you. There are others that are saying otherwise.

YEAH, that's ME. And I am speaking for MYSELF and describing MY experiences. Others speak for THEMSELVES and describe THEIR experiences. What is your problem with that? Do you want me to start telling everyone that my N900 reboots itself while it doesn't? Or should I keep in secret that my N900 does not freeze or reboot?

Let everyone say their OWN experiences.

Cannot deny that.

It'd be really terrific if you showed me where did I ever deny that other people have such an issue. As far as my poor memory tells me, the only thing I wrote was that I don't have it. Doesn't it make a CLEAR difference?

And sadly, people keep talking about the iPhone when... it's a non-issue. Somebody say something bad about the N900... "GO BACK TO YOUR IPHONE!"

Because, for mysterious reasons, 99,9% of those who say so are former (or still) iPhone users. Pure coincidence, isn't it.

I don't accept fanboys of any type. I think even you can understand that statement.

If you want to start name calling, why don't we switch to private correspondence? Then I'll teach you some new sexy words.

You have a site that supports another, single market (by name and admission). And if this is how you run your site, I kindly decline.

Fortunately, 130.000 registered users and up to 50.000 visitors a day have a different opinion if they keep coming back, some of them since the very beginning in 1999.

Maybe you should try to launch your own website and see if you can run it that long and have that many returning visitors. Then we'll talk about what level of objectivity and honesty it takes to make people stay with you for that long.

Tell how it's not buggy.

If I ever lied about quality of any of all those 100's of Symbian smartphones that were being discussed and reviewed on my website over those 10 years, thousands of people would call me a liar on all existing forums, mailing lists, and wherever else possible, everytime I'd show up. Strangely, it never happened. On the contrary, majority of people visiting my site come to it because - as they say - they consider my reviews highly objective and reliable, and confirmed by themselves after buying the phones I was reviewing and commenting on.

If you think that after exchanging three posts with me over the last 2 hours you know me better than them and you are entitled to consider me a liar, fanboy and fanatic only because I dare to say that I do not experience the issues a few (as you said yourself) other people complain about, then - well - be my guest. You're not the first, and surely not the last, hostile (and way too fast at judging other people) person I've met, so it does not impress me much.

And search the bug reports. 77+ bugs, about 5-7 are critical. That's not bad, but that's not what I'd call "not buggy". Savvy?

I have never said that the N900 is bugless. Consult your eyesight with an experienced eye doctor, maybe it's not to late to cure it.

Now kindly excuse me for not replying to your further posts, but I don't think we have anything left to talk about and this great community does not deserve having to read a discussion on this awful level you provoked.

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gerbick	2009-11-26 , 06:38
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man

It remains to be seen if it's an n900 + firmware issue or just a hardware defect. Considering not everyone is having the same problem. If it's a defect issue it's not an issue of being buggy, rather it's there needs to be even better quality control.

That's more than one person/phone.

However, in my case... when I ranted about the iPhone here, I was also just one person. A quick Google search and I found out I wasn't the only person.

It was still an OS update issue in my case. In the aforementioned cases, I'm willing to bet that OS updates will fix most of these issues that aren't exactly hardware issues.

And defects do happen. I know that quite well too. I'm patient enough to see if things shake out a bit.

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gerbick	2009-11-26 , 06:54
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Originally Posted by My-Symbian.com

For the third time: why do you expect me to search for what I have thoroughly tested on MY OWN device?

Because you're just one person. You don't have random reboots. That thread has 3-4 people that do.

It happens. You were lucky. You stated that yourself.

I am very sorry for those who have such issues, but what am I supposed to do? Damage my N900 so that it develops the same problem? Solidarity in pain?

No, you can simply do what I stated. Search for evidence that it has happened. It's just that simple.

If you want to continue down this path of hyperbole... yes. God yes... shotgun shells + your N900 = their pain.

Seriously dude, stop with the exaggerations. I feel like I'm talking to my 8 year old son. A rock that skips three or four times on the lake... he says it's a million.

You're doing the same.

Or maybe I am supposed not to talk about not having such issues myself so that it does not annoy those who prefer to only see complaints?

How about talking about the fact that there are indeed people having problems. You're running random reboot free. You have the phone. Why not compare your findings with theirs instead of arguing about the fact that there are indeed some bugs with me.

If I had the phone, it's what I'd do. It's what I tend to do on the limited areas I can answer with my N810. Just sayin...

Let everyone say their OWN experiences.

And back to my original statement... people talk about their own experiences and if it is negative, the piranha come out in mass.

Because, for mysterious reasons, 99,9% of those who say so are former (or still) iPhone users. Pure coincidence, isn't it.

Ever wonder why those people would leave the "comfort" of an iPhone? It has a lot of room where things a power user would enjoy if it where there. The N900 should have it, but if it's buggy... and the iPhone is established as buggy, it's still just a buggy experience in all. Now... let's analyze that in laymen terms.

Phone A is deemed buggy.
Phone B just came out, is also deemed buggy.

I have no reason to have faith in Phone A or Phone B. That's why people are bellyaching. They're stuck with phones that do not support "growth" in the very simple way that I'm not avoiding a buggy experience at all.

As far as I personally go, I'll be damned if I pay for another set of bugs to replace my current set of bugs. Get it right or get none of my dollars. That's how I am.

Do not add words; they're not needed.

If you want to start name calling, why don't we switch to private correspondence? Then I'll teach you some new sexy words.

gerbick [at] gmail [dot] com

Add me, e-mail me, so be it. You want to take it that personal, I'm actually that damn bored to allow myself to be entertained.

Fortunately, 130.000 registered users and up to 50.000 visitors a day have a different opinion if they keep coming back, some of them since the very beginning in 1999.

Congrats on your site. I'm just not a Symbian fan. Never have been.

Maybe you should try to launch your own website and see if you can run it that long and have that many returning visitors. Then we'll talk about what level of objectivity and honesty it takes to make people stay with you for that long.

Again, kudos to you. Anything else personal you wish to wag about?

If I ever lied about quality of any of all those 100's of Symbian smartphones that were being discussed and reviewed on my website over those 10 years, thousands of people would call me a liar on all existing forums, mailing lists, and wherever else possible, everytime I'd show up. Strangely, it never happened. On the contrary, majority of people visiting my site come to it because - as they say - they consider my reviews highly objective and reliable, and confirmed by themselves after buying the phones I was reviewing and commenting on.

Whomever said you lied? Please quote it.

If you think that after exchanging three posts with me over the last 2 hours you know me better than them and you are entitled to consider me a liar, fanboy and fanatic only because I dare to say that I do not experience the issues a few (as you said yourself) other people complain about, then - well - be my guest. You're not the first, and surely not the last, hostile (and way too fast at judging other people) person I've met, so it does not impress me much.

Nope. I just know that you're not somehow assimilating what I've stated at all.

I have never said that the N900 is bugless. Consult your eyesight with an experienced eye doctor, maybe it's not to late to cure it.

Thank you for stating something you didn't state prior to now explicitly. And I have 20/20 vision, but thank you for the concern.

Now kindly excuse me for not replying to your further posts, but I don't think we have anything left to talk about and this great community does not deserve having to read a discussion on this awful level you provoked.

Likewise. Continued success with your site. It is, and I'm not being sarcastic, something to be very proud of. Take care.

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I'd totally marry Gerbick if I either was gay or a chick.
Since I'm neither I'll just admire him from a distance in a completely non-sexual way.

On a serious note, it's refreshing to see posts that are not colored by fanboyism and I think this forum could use a whole lot more "Gerbicks" and a whole lot less "You don't like the N900? Go suck off your iPhone again then!"-mentality.

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Originally Posted by Tintin

I'd totally marry Gerbick if I either was gay or a chick.
Since I'm neither I'll just admire him from a distance in a completely non-sexual way.

On a serious note, it's refreshing to see posts that are not colored by fanboyism and I think this forum could use a whole lot more "Gerbicks" and a whole lot less "You don't like the N900? Go suck off your iPhone again then!"-mentality.

You don't want to be like me... I say the unpopular things around here.