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2008-09-23 , 18:31
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Make a list and I'll do my best.
We'll start with "skeered". It means scared, only limited to fear conducted via the internet tubes.
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2008-09-23 , 18:46
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Maybe Andrew Black would host some of your video over on maemobox.org?
Hosting isn't a problem, its the streaming at good bit rates.
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2008-09-23 , 18:56
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So: sorry, but I miss the point of the N900. What is revolutionary about it? It runs a free os? Heck, even the iPhone runs BSD and we know how "un-free" it is. It can browse the web? Duh. You can write software for it? Fantastic. It's got a gorgeous screen? So what?

I mean: I like my N810, it's a very nice little computer, but I am not really sure where Nokia is heading to. Actually, it looks like Nokia does not know where they are heading to themselves. So, please tell me: what is the point of the N900?
You just shrugged off the most disruptive part of the N900, as if it were nothing! All the phones on the market, including the iPhone, are not open platforms, not the way the desktop PC is an open platform. Even Windows and Mac machines are extremely open platforms, in the way that I'm talking about. You can write any software you want for them, and if it's good and if it does what people want it to do, people will use it.

This openess on the desktop triggers all sorts of unexpected results, because the vendors are not controlling the applications. So now, the RIAA and MPAA are going crazy trying to shut down millions of average teenagers and grandmothers casually downloading the latest music and movies. Telcos and cable companies are falling over each other to offer VoIP and IPTV services, because people are already helping themselves to these things in significant, scary numbers and they want a piece of the pie.

What I'm trying to say (and others here, too) is that the N900 will bring the desktop paradigm to the mobile market. The vendors will no longer control the apps, and all hell will break loose.

Well, hell for vendors, heaven for consumers.
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2008-09-23 , 19:09
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#374
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Doubt all you like. The fact is that the model is being inverted. Eventually VoIP will be THE way to conduct calls.

Any company involved in this industry would be mistaken in assuming the current telco model will persist forever. The writing is already on the wall. And based on history, I don't see most of the telcos, especially those here in the US, demonstrating the sufficient agility to adapt with the user market. ISPs on the other hand, can and do. They lack the stifling legacy.

With few exceptions, the telcos are throwing token efforts at wireless change. I suspect a few CEOs are gonna wake up one day wondering "WTF???"



EDIT: oh, and Nokia is no longer considered a mere "phone company".



As usual, you assume too much and too hastily. Nokia does know.

And if you have to ask the point of upcoming tablets, then I'm wondering how receptive you would be to any answers...

Disclaimer: my yammerings, teasing, poking, protesting and wry commentary originate entirely within my own skull and in no way reflect any official company policy or propaganda. That stuff has yet to penetrate. My biological and technological distinctiveness is MINE!
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2008-09-23 , 19:11
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#375
Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
Hosting isn't a problem, its the streaming at good bit rates.
Originally Posted by Andrew Tannenbaum
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
DVDs? I'd buy one (or two or three, whatever)...
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2008-09-23 , 19:14
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DVDs? I'd buy one (or two or three, whatever)...
Maybe. I have 65gb of video to somehow make available to the community. DVD's for a high def version may be an option either online on a download basis or physical with shipping paid for by donations. Lets see what happens.
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2008-09-23 , 20:19
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Maybe. I have 65gb of video to somehow make available to the community. DVD's for a high def version may be an option either online on a download basis or physical with shipping paid for by donations. Lets see what happens.
Torrents, too, come to think of it...
(I'll go hand in my geek card now, for not thinking of that first.)

I think BT still goes fine here on U network, and I've got substantial 3AM bandwidth... UBERSEED!
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2008-09-23 , 20:27
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Originally Posted by qole View Post
You just shrugged off the most disruptive part of the N900, as if it were nothing! All the phones on the market, including the iPhone, are not open platforms, not the way the desktop PC is an open platform. Even Windows and Mac machines are extremely open platforms, in the way that I'm talking about. You can write any software you want for them, and if it's good and if it does what people want it to do, people will use it.

This openess on the desktop triggers all sorts of unexpected results, because the vendors are not controlling the applications. So now, the RIAA and MPAA are going crazy trying to shut down millions of average teenagers and grandmothers casually downloading the latest music and movies. Telcos and cable companies are falling over each other to offer VoIP and IPTV services, because people are already helping themselves to these things in significant, scary numbers and they want a piece of the pie.

What I'm trying to say (and others here, too) is that the N900 will bring the desktop paradigm to the mobile market. The vendors will no longer control the apps, and all hell will break loose.

Well, hell for vendors, heaven for consumers.
Very good point. In short: Apple sells you a unix iPhone but keeps the root password. To me this is unacceptable, and the main reason why I have a N810. For the same reason, I refuse to buy branded phones.

But first this is not new. Symbian and WinCE/mobile are also similar to the desktop paradigm. You can write your own applications for them. You can buy applications for them. The vendors do not control those applications.

(Interestingly, neither WinCE/mobile nor Symbian succeeded in creating a decent market for applications. In a fraction of the time, the iPhone did.)

Second, I am not really sure that the N900 will be as open as you think. Dr. Ari Jaaksi had puzzling comments on the "necessities for open source developers to embrace paradigms necessary to the phone industry like drm and closed source".

Furthermore, you have been intoxicated by the PC/windows/linux model. Everyone here seem to ignore that a smartphone may be a computing platform, but it is not a pc. The pc model emerged in the 90s, before the Internet was popular, and the technological choices which were made at the time reflect that (and we all know what disastrous consequences some of those choices had). A smartphone, with limited battery and computing ressources, always on connectivity, high hardware variability, high bug resilience and designed for a market of non-specialists implies different choices. If you want to make some money, that is. You may want to read this article for details. It is mainly advocating the iPhone against the google Android platform, but the arguments adapt to maemo as well.

So: close, but no cigar. I still do not see the N900 being revolutionary at all. It is just another smartphone. One with great hardware specs, but htc already knows how to do that. One with a voip client, but this is old news. One which runs linux, but htc, motorola and google already do that. You have nice freeware for it (and my thanks go to those developers!), but no commercial applications, so the choice is limited and not really adapted to the general public. Sorry, I still do not see this as a revolution, a new computing platform or even a platform with any future relevance.
 

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Furthermore, you have been intoxicated by the PC/windows/linux model. Everyone here seem to ignore that a smartphone may be a computing platform, but it is not a pc.
a) The tablets (including an upcoming "N900") are not smartphones. AFAIK, Ari Jaaksi stated clearly it (the N900) will not have voice capability.

b) The whole point of Maemo is (again, I'm citing Ari Jaaksi) to bring desktop technology to the mobile device segment (which I think is the really revolutionary part here). If you don't like the desktop approach, then it's not the right toy for you.
 

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...Ari Jaaksi stated clearly it (the N900) will not have voice capability.
Mr. Jaaksi said the code Nokia have contributed to Linux OMAP provides support for high speed packet data. He, and several other Nokia employees, very carefully and deliberately stated that Nokia have not provided code to support voice in this code drop. These same Nokia employees declined to say whether or not voice support for Maemo 5 would be added later.
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