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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by attila77
Never mind, I meant on /
Because that device is an eMMC block device, NOT a MTD device. Some years ago people realized it's a lot of fuss to work with MTD-s on the software level (wear leveling ? block management ? addressing ? error correction ? spare blocks ? MLC vs SLC ? CPU overhead ?), and put all this functionality, tailor made for that particular flash device, into something that is known as managed NAND (=aka eMMC).
Take a look for some pretty pictures at
http://download.micron.com/pdf/prese...nHEC_Cooke.pdf
(talks about eMMC around page 55)
My question is answered here: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...il/002226.html (and on Wikipedia)
Instead of JFFS2, UBIFS is now used.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by eiffel
Then dont upgrade man. Seriously - its not like Nokia promised you the moon and didnt deliver, I am sure that many people feel the n900 IS a worth lead Fremantle device. They delivered a device that will please some people and obviously not please others. It sounds like the n900 is not the phone for you - but for a great many other people it is. Wait for a year - you may get the phone you want. Or its entirely possible you wont. Thats the way the world works.
The problem isn't that it didn't work out, the problem is that we were strung along for so long: "Trust us with the details, we're sure when you see the lead Fremantle device it will be a great improvement and you'll love it".
And now my trust has been betrayed: the N900 is missing the things I valued about the N8x0: the screen size, the big battery, and now this: the loss of USB host functionality.
Maybe I need to wait a year (or whatever) for the RX-71. It sure would be nice to know something useful about Nokia's directions forwards from here with this "product line" (if the widely-differing Maemo devices can even be called a "product line").
Maybe the RX-71 is a slate with a 4.3 inch screen, big battery, and two USB OTG ports. More likely not.
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2009-09-22
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Batterysize isn't everything. With the new cpu, doing exactly the same things as you would with n810 the battery would last longer even if it's smaller. Add to that the potential savings, if any, from the smaller screen... Subtract all the extra things youll do with the n900.. Hopefully the sum is near n810 battery performance in terms of user experience.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by shadowjk
That's true of course, but the use case that concerns me is web browsing. With my N810 and bluetooth phone, browsing the web over 3G is making use of two batteries: one in the tablet and one in the phone.
With the new cpu, doing exactly the same things as you would with n810 the battery would last longer even if it's smaller.
In the N900, one battery has to do both jobs.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by eiffel
So, have you seen the lead Fremantle device? I mean, other than in pictures and in youtube videos. If not, you really should. See if there's a Nokia store near you that has one, and take it for a test drive...
The problem isn't that it didn't work out, the problem is that we were strung along for so long: "Trust us with the details, we're sure when you see the lead Fremantle device it will be a great improvement and you'll love it".
And now my trust has been betrayed: the N900 is missing the things I valued about the N8x0: the screen size, the big battery, and now this: the loss of USB host functionality.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by eiffel
... except it won't have to do the bluetooth ;-)
That's true of course, but the use case that concerns me is web browsing. With my N810 and bluetooth phone, browsing the web over 3G is making use of two batteries: one in the tablet and one in the phone.
In the N900, one battery has to do both jobs.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by eiffel
That's somewhat offset by the N900 battery not having to feed both sides of a bluetooth PPP session. But yeah, 3G connectivity is probably the largest (or maybe second-largest after the screen?) battery drain on the device and there are advantages to offloading that to a separate device.
With my N810 and bluetooth phone, browsing the web over 3G is making use of two batteries: one in the tablet and one in the phone.
In the N900, one battery has to do both jobs.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by eiffel
Invalid comparison. The N900 doesn't have to power both sides of a Bluetooth link.
That's true of course, but the use case that concerns me is web browsing. With my N810 and bluetooth phone, browsing the web over 3G is making use of two batteries: one in the tablet and one in the phone.
In the N900, one battery has to do both jobs.
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2009-09-22
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It's not entirely predicatble, but I'd say my e75 lasts longer idling on IRC by itself than serving out internet to N810 idling on IRC. Certainly on my old Nokia 6820, serving out internet over bluetooth uses huge amounts more..
hopefully IPv6 will arrive soon, and hopefully ISPs and operators wont **** it up into a similar mess as with IPv4. That would give lots of power savings for the mostly-idle use cases of IM and push email.
hopefully IPv6 will arrive soon, and hopefully ISPs and operators wont **** it up into a similar mess as with IPv4. That would give lots of power savings for the mostly-idle use cases of IM and push email.
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