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gerbick
2012-09-24 , 17:23
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#371
Originally Posted by specc View Post
Exactly, only real cool apps, no G-junk. Spotify for Android, is it called G-spot?
No.

And define "real cool" applications. Because as it stands, I doubt you'll have a substantial list.
 
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2012-09-24 , 18:19
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Originally Posted by uTMY View Post
Personally I object to manufacturers trying to cater only for users like Lumiaman in the pursuit of their money by spoon feeding them services on locked down devices but if that is what they need to feel comfortable then each to their own.
I agree, it's unfortunate that NOKIA don't realise Samsung is their true competitor not Apple. If Apple users want a dumbed-down, locked-down device then that's fine but it's a real shame that has rippled out to NOKIA.

I'm getting more and more interested in Firefox OS. As all the devices functionality is exposed to Gecko you can completely customise the way you interact with the device.

For example all the phones now seem to be obsessed with 'gestures' and animations just for the sake of them. I'd rather have previous, options and next buttons at the bottom of the screen rather than flick up and down through a long list or swipe side to side through multiple screens, I invariably accidentally launch something as I'm navigating like that which really ticks me off.

Firefox OS will give me the opportunity to make my device look and work just the way I want it to even if no one else on the planet likes it that way.
 
gerbick
2012-09-24 , 19:43
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All of that XUL freedom comes at a price... lack of UI normalization. It's a problem on Android. It will be a problem on Fire fox OS.
 
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2012-09-24 , 20:53
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
All of that XUL freedom comes at a price... lack of UI normalization.
For me the nub of the problem is I'm not keen on what has become the norm.

It seems to me the clear separation between the system and the UI, combined with the easy way the UI is implemented, will open up a whole new field of creativity that goes way beyond themes or widgets.

BTW I don't think Firefox OS is going to offer XUL, it's going to be plain JS/HTML/CSS.
 
gerbick
2012-09-24 , 21:24
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
For me the nub of the problem is I'm not keen on what has become the norm.
Not sure I understand this statement.

It seems to me the clear separation between the system and the UI, combined with the easy way the UI is implemented, will open up a whole new field of creativity that goes way beyond themes or widgets.
Once a person starts to display:none some key elements in the name of customization, you run the risk of causing problems with how an OS renders for all people. Overrides will take the control away from the customizations. Wall people in and it's not customizable at all. I'm not happy with most widgets... so hearing that it will be better than that system, I can't wait. The existing paradigm of UI/UX for mobile phones is not ideal.

BTW I don't think Firefox OS is going to offer XUL, it's going to be plain JS/HTML/CSS.
And I stand corrected! You're 100% correct. XUL was dropped, HTML5 + JS will be the way to change your Firefox Mobile OS experience.
 
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2012-09-24 , 23:39
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'XUL' stands for "extensible user interface language". 'HTML' stands for "hypertext markup language". Now, user interface of program, application, operating system - should be done in XUL, in my humble opinion. I had developed, a long time ago, extensions and themes for both desktop and mobile Firefox, and hope to do so in the future. But definitely not in HTML. HTML is for websites, not for browser. And I definitely am not going to use Firefox with "native user interface", even if it is faster. If I get time, I will find a way to replace some existing applications - calculator, for instance - with XUL applications.
Best wishes. It's unfortunate that off-topic threads do not have a 'Thanks!' button. Maybe, a kind of 'Off-Topic Thanks!' button might be designed?
Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
I can sympathise with what you're saying, I like XUL but I think it will be phased out. It's already gone from the Android version and on the desktop I think Mozilla are now planning to stop allowing overlays that alter Firefox menus, etc... I think it's only a matter of time before JS/HTML/CSS will be the only option for the UI of Firefox extensions.
Darr... I have heard they stopped building Firefox for Mobile on Maemo (latest officially built version was 7) - and then I have found Fennec (15) in a custom repository. And it's XUL-based, fortunately. If Firefox stops using XUL interface (fortunately, it seems to be merely a rumour), I will uninstall it. I just hope that Seamonkey will not follow.
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2012-09-25 , 09:09
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#377
Having looked at the 5 year stock trend it is pretty horrendous but who knows, maybe WP8 could be part of the solution, one things for sure though, even with the best efforts of Nokia, this is not the way to do it.

Lumiaman: "iPhone 5 is outselling Nokia ... idiot proof iOS. Only WP8 offers idiot proof phones for Nokia."

Specc: "Then what in f*ucks name are you doing in an off topic thread about Nokia stock ? And who cares about your sorry attempts at making (fart)apps anyway. On WP we have real apps So get out of this thread"

Calling Nokias customers idiots and calling their competitors customers idiots and insulting the very small time developers that Nokia need to start to regrow their value and lost reputation is probably not the way to do it.

All I can say is if these two characters work for Nokia then Nokia has a lot more serious problems than just the stock price and if they don't work for Nokia then I feel sorry for whatever companies they do work for, I certainly know what I'd do if they worked for me.

I am not even sure why they hang out in a Maemo forum if they like WPx so much?

rgds
 
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2012-09-25 , 10:33
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
No.

And define "real cool" applications. Because as it stands, I doubt you'll have a substantial list.
Nokia maps for one, a map application that actually work, not just 'yet another arena for advirticing and general privacy intrusion '. Lots of high quality games, for those who like that stuff. Nokia music and music store where all the music is standard mp3, so you can put your music wherever you want. City scene.

I don't miss anything of the g-i junk. There are tons and tons of g-i junk, but as i see it: junk is junk.
 
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2012-09-25 , 12:54
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#379
Dem be trollin.

Dey be on hostile ground, sayin things dey no means, to disrupt da competion. Thought dat much wuz obvious.
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2012-09-25 , 13:11
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Yes it was tongue in cheek, I've just been playing them!

:-)

They too easy. No sport.

rgds
 
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