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2015-07-02
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#372
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Originally Posted by bluefoot
You mean this 'rage' (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=16 )?
You have things mixed up again. I highlighted the very clear difference between the Russians claiming that open-sourcing everything would be complete by the end of July (and SFv2.0) and Jolla saying there was a roadmap / we'll talk soon etc. It was plainly apparent that there would be no major progress soon. He refused to accept there was any difference, went into a rage and started trolling.
Lol, just lol, haters gonna hate, here you have jolla officially state they will open whole of _their_ source, bbbbut mah narrative, russian minister who cares??? This article has jolla as source not some russian official, go hate harder
You can refresh your memory of that thread, you claimed jolla has not officially corroborated russian guys' statement, were provided with jolla official confirming, then you went on to suggest UI will not be part of the roadmap. Twisty
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2015-07-02
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#373
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Originally Posted by bluefoot
See now you're saying something different, here's what you suggested the exchange was about in your last post:
I highlighted the very clear difference between the Russians claiming that open-sourcing everything would be complete by the end of July (and SFv2.0) and Jolla saying there was a roadmap / we'll talk soon etc. It was plainly apparent that there would be no major progress soon.
But, but, the Russian guy claimed the process would start in June and it'd all be open by the close of July with the release of 2.0 :-o The usual suspects here jumped in to claim that was the word of god, and non-committal statements (to the contrary) by Saarnio and others at Jolla ("info soon" / "not ready to talk about it") must surely be misunderstandings. Does this mean we won't have a fully open OS by the end of this month? Some people here must be shocked at this turn of events.
He refused to accept there was any difference, went into a rage and started trolling. I pointed this out because the rhetoric / PR-line was again significantly different between the two parties, not because it required any deductive capacity to come to the conclusion that the Russian claim was horseshit.
Reading it back, I don't think he was disagreeing that the Russian position was rubbish, & that there'd be no major progress within the time-line that the Russian minister was suggesting. He was just saying: "Look, a Jolla leader has said for the 1st time that Jolla has a time-line for opening the remainder of SF (of what they can), & that they'll share more soon!", he wasn't merging/conflating the two different lines.
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2015-07-02
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#374
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Not sure what's going on here and who is what and why. But I would remind that Jolla promised to open UI before phone launch and but we are still where we were few years ago
See now you're saying something different, here's what you claimed the exchange was about in your last post:
Now you're saying it was about the conflict of official lines between the two parties, in that last post you suggested that users (szopin) were already taking as "gospel" the Russian gov't's line, that it was coming in ~June & would be done by ~July.
As I recall he was merely trying to correct your (quite correct) attack on the claims for June/July delivery for opening the remainder of SF by saying: "But that's the Russian official's words, these are the official Jolla peoples words, they're what matter, see here".
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2015-07-02
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#375
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No conjecture there.
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2015-07-02
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#376
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Exciting month ahead! Thank you jolla! 
https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-5
Last edited by Dave999; 2015-07-02 at 17:52.
https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-5
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2015-07-02
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#377
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Sometimes Dave, I just wanna (breaks out into Rick Astley) ;-P
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2015-07-02
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#378
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Originally Posted by ggabriel
If you have time to go through tweets of somehow related to Jolla people and you follow blogs, articles and speculations from fan site, to go through forums and TJC — good for you. But i would expect to have one proper source and that source should be updated.
Let me point out that the "lack of communication problem" is your perception, and perhaps that of other people. I am perfectly happy with the level of communcation that they've provided thus far. At the very least, it's a lot more information than larger organisations are prepared to give you. Whether it's ideal or not is another matter, but I'm perfectly happy as a backer.
On another subject:
https://twitter.com/JaakkoRoppola/st...72640543830016
https://twitter.com/Vilhartti/status/616575731515174912
EDIT: fixed 2nd twitter link
On matter of "you are okay" of things as they are... Your choice. As well as most people okay with microsoft, a lot of people okay with NSA spying on them, okay with a lot of things. It doesn't make it right. And if several sailors, a lot of fans and contributors and even Jolla itself tells you that they were bad at communication, than at least listen to them, not me
And again i asked the question, proper question about holidays and timelines and i dare you to find me proper answer from any official information. As well as can you tell me if there is new display and what display was chosen. Are all block problems for release are resolved?
And if you okay of Jolla delaying for even half year, some people are not. While two months delay somehow can be okay, waiting more only means that you pre-ordered really overprices gadget that you still did not get. As we all know that every 3-6 months there are new and new phones and tablets with higher specs which makes current HW cheaper and cheaper. (maybe even Jolla waiting to get discount deals for end of season deals :P ).
Anyway if you okay with given information and if jolla is better than few evil companies, doesn't mean there are no better companies and there is no place for improvement. As well it doesn't mean that it's the right way they handle things.
Again, i'll remind you about the meetings, i think you would agree that they are great thing, and i would remind that they were made because of rant "lack of communication". Btw pay attention that they are not so active lately and mostly coz of lack of users. As most active users, with ideas, spirit to improve and change and active maemo users, did not wait for Jolla to finally "get down to earth, to us mortal" and they moved on somewhere else. You can argue as much as you can, but there are not that much devs for Jolla . No 3rd parties apps. And even not talking about paid apps, where Jolla started that famous thread and ignored it (for year+ ?). 3rd party devs look at those things, they wouldn't rant or whine, but they would not develop any apps too
Also I gave you a lot of examples of lack of communication, while you keep telling "it's okay for me", then please provide me examples of good communication... And do not tell "they told about delay" as they HAD to, especially when it's second time. And do not tell me about roadmap that was introduced years after release and mostly it;s changelog
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2015-07-02
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#379
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Just imagine if I was head of blog posts at jolla. They would have a market value that would make apple jealous...
Sometimes Dave, I just wanna (breaks out into Rick Astley) ;-P
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2015-07-02
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#380
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Originally Posted by jalyst
No I didn't change position .. if you can't see the first quote is dripping in sarcasm, sorry, but I refuse to use inane /s tags.
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Of all the things I posted, I'm not particularly sure why you highlighted my story about the E4.5 source other than that it involved you. It was used to illustrate the fact that UT devs tend to be very responsive to any serious queries, feedback or contributions aimed at them (personally & institutionally) & do it in the open, and because it was a case that quite a few posters here would already be familiar with. If I got some kind of minor technicality wrong re: the case, then it's probably because it's several months ago, and it doesn't really make the point any less valid.
From the tenor of your response, I assume you find (some of) my posts a mixture of very frustrating and interesting or insightful. Of course I get things wrong, particularly details ... but then all of us are working on ridiculously scant information. If you think the overall conclusions I come to or analysis I post have some kind of ring of truth or strike close to home, then maybe act accordingly rather than wishing I knew more (either about Jolla or soft/hardware generally) and came to a different conclusion.
I won't say no to your invitation, it's very kind, but I think it's unlikely to happen soon as I have a pretty full schedule of travel for most of the rest of the year.
In the mean time, I agree with some of the other posters ... whilst it's not in your job description to be a font of product information, I'm sure everyone would be fascinated to know why nothing of the tablet has been shown for 4 months (or even the software, if the hardware is in a dysfunctional state) and what's going on. It'd be much more productive for everyone than either engaging me in discourse or chewing me out.
P.S. My 'job' has effectively been making relatively accurate analysis from highly imperfect data (and my imp. knowledge) ... or at least more accurate than most other people trying.
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