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2015-04-30
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#372
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Originally Posted by Fellfrosch
Yes, but the first iPhone was not 3G capable, that could explain, no?
What didn't you undestand?
First iPhone never got MMS-Support although it was a basic feature for phones at that time.
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2015-04-30
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#373
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra
I think we all do. And I also think this is not really the point here but priorities.
Jolla's way is to release often to bring improvements more rapidly. It also allows rapid feedback on how the platform is evolving, instead of taking something like 8 to 10 months preparing big update that "makes it work before making it work better" and then findinf that changes were not welcome after all. There are always caveats on different update models, but honestly I prefer current, more rapid incremental updates compared to waiting for next PR with N900 or N9.
Read again January blog post about the coming features, you'll read "Lockscreen media controls" or "private browsing". Those are nice features, for sure. But those are not mandatory features when the basic you can expect from a smartphone is not provided:
- no buggy contacts sync
- no buggy calendar sync (check on TJC how many people have missed appointments because of this crap)
- voicemail notification (this is a damned phone guys!).
All this discussion is about priorities, nothing more. And obviously, tablet is not one with such a buggy OS. But maybe we have to also try to understand their priorities in term of business, because for such a small company, this is probably a survival question. Just a question of perspective.
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2015-04-30
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#375
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Originally Posted by pichlo
...basic functionality is still missing (voicemail notification, global copy&paste, paid apps) or incomplete (CalDAV, proper email client, Exchange).
Originally Posted by JulmaHerra
Please note I did not include Exchange in the "missing" list
I know people who use Jolla with company Exchange also, so I wouldn't say that the feature is missing.
(/pichlo out. Will come back in when the thread gets back on topic.)
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2015-04-30
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Originally Posted by romu
Well not everyone has the same priority.
I think we all do. And I also think this is not really the point here but priorities.
Read again January blog post about the coming features, you'll read "Lockscreen media controls" or "private browsing". Those are nice features, for sure. But those are not mandatory features when the basic you can expect from a smartphone is not provided:
- no buggy contacts sync
- no buggy calendar sync (check on TJC how many people have missed appointments because of this crap)
- voicemail notification (this is a damned phone guys!).
All this discussion is about priorities, nothing more. And obviously, tablet is not one with such a buggy OS. But maybe we have to also try to understand their priorities in term of business, because for such a small company, this is probably a survival question. Just a question of perspective.
For example I do not care for the calendar that much, and I use the music player quite a bit.
I suppose Jolla priorities changed around a bit when they decided to do a tablet, where media and browser support are important.
Also, I doubt people working on the browser or the media stack would be very productive doing contact/calendar work; so progress on one front does not mean there is less effort on the other; only that progress is blocked by some hard to crack problem, or that that team is understaffed. But even if they add more developers, the effect will take a few months to be noticeable...
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2015-04-30
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Originally Posted by romu
For a Smartphone is the lack of 3G a missing basic feature
Yes, but the first iPhone was not 3G capable, that could explain, no?
MMS also work on Edge and even gprs...
But I think you didn't got what I tried to tell you. If even big companies struggle to implement some "basic" features in time, it's quite unfair to expect this from a small company like Jolla.
I've never said, that I'm not missing some things on my Jolla. But I can live with that, because there are on the other hand a lot of things which I love on my Jolla and which I dislike on other platforms.
The not really reliable cladav is something which is really annoying for me too (especially now in summertime, when every date is misplaced by an hour
). But I have to accept, that a small team can't do everything right for everybody, and I have to trust them, that they are setting the priorities in the right order - not only for me and you, but also for business.If you can't live with that and you'll buy an android. That's your decision. For me the disadvantages of android are weighing heavier than that of my Jolla.
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2015-04-30
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#378
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Originally Posted by aegis
I do agree about the UI changes, mostly I worry about compromising changes rather than design changes. I think the criticism on the memory problem is a bit unfair, the change of Qt was unavoidable, I am glad they did try and make the phone more efficient, tablet and newer models will benefit from that. Yes they are stuck with 1GB RAM and a hw that will soon get 2 years old. Sony just hides the problem by introducing new models every 6 months making older devices obsolete.
Also IMHO every UI change Jolla have done has been a step backwards and 2.0 continues that trend. The multitasking got worse with the Qt change and the limited RAM in the device hit home. I get better multitasking out of Android because Sony just threw 2 & 3gb of RAM at the problem. :-)
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2015-04-30
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Originally Posted by mikelima
Obviously yes, and I also use quite a lot the music player. But here there is not only the "priority" flag but also the "critical" flag.
Well not everyone has the same priority.
For example I do not care for the calendar that much, and I use the music player quite a bit.
I (and you I guess) can live with a buggy music player. It would be annoying but the bugs would affect me and certainly only me.
Now, think of contacts and calendar sync. If this doesn't work as expected, that means you can loose contacts. Not only the vCard in itself, but also the possibility to contact someone if you don't know the number by heart.
Same for the calendars, personaly I missed 3 appointments because of the daylight change bug, and I'm far from being alone.
I use this phone as my primary one, and I missed some customers messages because of the lack of voicemail notification.
Here this is not just annoying, this is totally unacceptable because this can be a issue in your social life, including your job. And I mean "by social", not the FB, etc, but you "real" life.
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2015-04-30
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Excuse me if I sound very stupid, but is there any way we can have a TOH that can increase the RAM from 1 GB to 2 GB? Is it possible at all?
Also, what are basic mobile platform features vary depending on who you ask. If you ask me, there has not been any new fully featured mobile OS's since Symbian. All of them lack things that were present in Symbian years ago (including fully supporting both landscape and horizontal use throughout UI), but because it's Android/iOS such things are not considered basic anymore. As for Qt upgrade, doing upgrade first and doing new stuff against new version is most likely faster than doing everything against old version and then having even more painful route to upgrade. So, it's never going to be like "make everything work and upgrade only then".