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2011-08-13 , 09:28
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#3971
Originally Posted by Cue View Post
I'm going to walk away from this nonsense, sane people looking at that graph can form their own opinion on market trends and you can go back and read the posts if you like. I made little to no assumptions. I actually followed your daft logic throughout, which you applied to things only when it twisted some other daft statement of yours in your favour but decided to ignore it when you saw fit. I misinterpreted nothing because I actually was discussing your rebuttal to my own comment. go back and read it if your memory also fails you. Good day and goodbye.
Please note one thing.
WP 6.5 and WP 7 possibly don't share a single line of code.
They are totally different OS. (it's not only an UI revamp, even if the UI are on different planets).
It doesn't make any sense to look at their aggregated market share.

What happens when looking at separate numbers?
- 6.5 is free falling like Symbian.
- WP7 got from zero to 2% market share in one year. Indeed, this is comparable to Android's beginning.
 

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2011-08-13 , 09:29
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#3972
Also, I was genuinely curious about whether the N9 keyboard was open-sourced and/or replaceable. That's kind of important to some folks, from the sound of the grumblings.
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2011-08-13 , 09:32
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#3973
Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Not really, it's just that.. wellllllll.... you see that counter up there? Yeah, we're REALLY close to 4000. Or didn't you notice? Also, the topic is rediculous. The N9 is a MYTH! A spectre! It doesn't exist... at least, not yet. It's certainly not "here." So... here we are... another step. Meanwhile, we watch and marvel at your incredible misspellings and missteps. It's amusing.
Wee, If that is what you feel, I suggest that you leave this thread ASAP.

EDIT: After 4000 that is.

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
Yes but if you want to be heard properly and understood WITHOUT making yourself look silly then at least try a little to make sure your even using the right words old boy, that is even before your spelling, and i still want to know what you mean about this N9 KEYBOARD ?.
If you think I look silly because I don't use the right words here and there, It's fine by me. It' might not be my first or second language. however, I feel sad for you every time you post here, you are so lost.
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#3974
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris View Post
Wee, If that is what you feel, I suggest that you leave this thread ASAP.

EDIT: After 4000 that is.



If you think I look silly because I don't use the right words here and there, It's fine by me. It' might not be my first or second language. however, I feel sad for you every time you post here, you are so lost.
The problem is you have picked a high profile nick name and your words do not match which in turn is making you look silly
 
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2011-08-13 , 09:42
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
The problem is you have picked a high profile nick name and your words do not match which in turn is making you look silly
Well, You should see my fighting skills!
 

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2011-08-13 , 09:47
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Originally Posted by erendorn View Post
Please note one thing.
WP 6.5 and WP 7 possibly don't share a single line of code.
They are totally different OS. (it's not only an UI revamp, even if the UI are on different planets).
It doesn't make any sense to look at their aggregated market share.

What happens when looking at separate numbers?
- 6.5 is free falling like Symbian.
- WP7 got from zero to 2% market share in one year. Indeed, this is comparable to Android's beginning.
Except, as noted earlier, Microsoft's had the benefit of 6.5 major revisions of experience in writing a mobile OS before Android even had a 1.0. You would think they would have done and gotten far better by then, no? Also, as I understood it, there was re-used code from Windows Mobile 6.x, too.. (Windows Phone 7 runs an updated kernel based on Windows CE 6 R3 and Windows CE 7, see also this) ...so there are some shortcuts there. For an established developer with every advantage, they didn't do so well compared to the relative newcomer, Android.

Also found this, btw:
Windows Embedded CE 6.0 R3 was finalized in September 2009 for OEMs and serves as the base platform for the Zune HD and Windows Phone 7.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows...Features_in_R3
...Microsoft's official response on the matter is a little less clear. Basically, they're saying that Windows Phone 7 was built on the latest release of CE 6 (R3, in case you're curious), but that they took it further and "incorporated innovative features and functionality on top of the platform."
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/04/w...mpact-7-kerne/
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2011-08-13 , 10:00
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Sorry for posting on topic here.
But I'm just catching up after a disastrous house move and a loss of a decent internet connection as a result.

But I have to say, even if it is so far into the thread, that the title of the thread is sooooooo far from the truth that it needs changing, seriously.

Refering to this blog post as linked from the news blog here: http://utestme.com/nokia-n9-deeper-cuts/.
I was rediculed by some members for my beliefs and postings in the MS/Nokia/WP7/MeeGo turn of events, and not just on TMO either.

My belief has always been that MeeGo is a failure under Nokia, simply because MS will not allow it to succeed.
Give it 12 months and Symbian will go to make room for a cheaper seriously cut down version of WP7.
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2011-08-13 , 10:02
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Except, as noted earlier, Microsoft's had the benefit of 6.5 major revisions of experience in writing a mobile OS before Android even had a 1.0. You would think they would have done and gotten far better by then, no? Also, as I understood it, there was re-used code from Windows Mobile 6.x, too.. (Windows Phone 7 runs an updated kernel based on Windows CE 6 R3 and Windows CE 7, see also this) ...so there are some shortcuts there. For an established developer with every advantage, they didn't do so well compared to the relative newcomer, Android.
Agreed on all that. Yet I think it took google 4 years to have android production ready, 5 years for nokia and harmattan (let's say it's production ready ), both based on existing kernels. It also probably took nokia 3 or 4 years to realize symbian wouldn't cut it and look for other solutions.
Microsoft is a more experienced (but not more agile) developer, so I think a 3 to 6 year transition between "my product sucks and the competition is making advance" to "My new product is ready has potential" is somehow expected/standard, though not great.

Point is, WP7 has potential, and it's unfair to say it's market share is dropping or too low.
 

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2011-08-13 , 10:05
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Originally Posted by erendorn View Post
Agreed on all that. Yet I think it took google 4 years to have android production ready, 5 years for nokia and harmattan (let's say it's production ready ), both based on existing kernels. It also probably took nokia 3 or 4 years to realize symbian wouldn't cut it and look for other solutions.
Microsoft is a more experienced (but not more agile) developer, so I think a 3 to 6 year transition between "my product sucks and the competition is making advance" to "My new product is ready has potential" is somehow expected/standard, though not great.

Point is, WP7 has potential, and it's unfair to say it's market share is dropping or too low.
Microsoft had DECADES to make a good mobile OS, not 3-6 years. They completely failed to compete against even Palm, who themselves were eventually ruined by Apple, and arguably maybe Android, as well. Microsoft hasn't the track record to show they can help Nokia out of said craptastic hole that Nokia was and is in. If it had potential, it's already ruined it just on the unmarketable ruined brand alone, much less their record for making a product people wanted. Cripes! Many people said they loved Zune too--that didn't help it at all. That was potentially successful too, but not realized success, no.
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#3980
Originally Posted by stickymick View Post
Sorry for posting on topic here.
But I'm just catching up after a disastrous house move and a loss of a decent internet connection as a result.

But I have to say, even if it is so far into the thread, that the title of the thread is sooooooo far from the truth that it needs changing, seriously.

Refering to this blog post as linked from the news blog here: http://utestme.com/nokia-n9-deeper-cuts/.
I was rediculed by some members for my beliefs and postings in the MS/Nokia/WP7/MeeGo turn of events, and not just on TMO either.

My belief has always been that MeeGo is a failure under Nokia, simply because MS will not allow it to succeed.
Give it 12 months and Symbian will go to make room for a cheaper seriously cut down version of WP7.
you are right, It might be a failure(no ecosystem at least), but I will be a fun year with the phone before you change to something else. So buy it and have fun instead of that Same old same old OS.
 
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