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gerbick	2009-06-14 , 01:14
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Originally Posted by johnkzin

You're being thick headed. Open your mind beyond your assumptions.

And you're being 100% unrealistic.

Want to prove me thick headed... then show me one American carrier that will allow you to access their GSM network on a device, that's not wifi, for free. It just does not exist unless you're already a standing GSM voice/data customer and they allow it on something else; it just does not exist.

There's nothing to assume. It doesn't exist, those towers cost money, Nokia's product isn't going to get free anything from GSM towers either.

To think that; you'll have to prove it. Otherwise, the assumptions are all yours.

As I already said, I've bought several Nokia GSM devices and NOT PAID FOR GSM ACCESS. It's called "using it without a SIM card". There's no reason to believe that the N900, even with a built in GSM data radio, wont be usable in a wifi only mode (just like the N810 is usable without a GPS data subscription). Just buy the unlocked version, don't activate it with a carrier, and use it as a wifi only device.

A GSM phone without GSM access is just... well, a sim card less phone.

Unlocked doesn't mean you have carte blanche access to whatever GSM data signal you can locate. It's not wifi. You have to pay to access GSM/GPRS/EDGE data in the US.

You can't do that at all with an iPhone (you have to buy an iPod Touch, which doesn't have the same full set of capabilities, last I checked). But you can do it with other Nokia devices. So why are you assuming that you wont be able to do it with an N900, and that you'll HAVE to pay for GSM service?

It's funny. Not only do I have an iPhone3G, I have an original iPhone - which has the SIM card removed. Guess what?

It's jailbroken now, I use it with wifi... and I can send SMS/Phone calls (via DialCentral and Google Voice), can purchase (still) and download via the iTunes store. But I can't access GSM data at all. Why? Because that costs money.

So... as it stands. Your position is based on that you don't have to pay for GSM data if you don't use it; right?

That's a no-brainer.

If you want to use it with GSM data... you will have to pay for it. Prove my original statement otherwise.

That's all truth dude. You're the person being extremely thick headed.

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	johnkzin	2009-06-14 , 01:36
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Originally Posted by gerbick

And you're being 100% unrealistic.

As I've said, I've already done it. Not unrealistic at all.

Want to prove me thick headed... then show me one American carrier that will allow you to access their GSM network on a device

Nice strawman argument. Free GSM service isn't what I'm asserting. It's what you're trying to build as a strawman argument, instead of admitting your assertion (that we would be FORCED to have a GSM fee on the N900) is completely unfounded.

If you want to use it with GSM data... you will have to pay for it. Prove my original statement otherwise.

You said:

We will have to pay for GSM data in the N900. (paraphrased as opposed to quoted)

I never said word ONE about "getting GSM data for free", that's your strawman argument, not my assertion. What I am telling you, and what you're being thick headed about, is that you DON'T HAVE TO HAVE GSM DATA (paid or otherwise) on the N900 ... you can go wifi-only. Just like a 770, N800, or N810.

Thus, assuming the N900 is like every other Nokia GSM device out there (and that's my ONLY assumption here, and since it is like every other Nokia GSM device, it's a pretty reasonable assumption), you can use it without any GSM service at all, and go wifi-only. Which means you'd be able to use it just like an 770, N800, or N810.

So, no, I wont have to pay for GSM data on the N900. I can forgo GSM service entirely.

Which means, in comparing the long term costs of an N900 to an iPhone, you do need to factor in the cost of the iPhone's GSM service over time (making it more than just a $99 phone), but you don't have to do that with an N900 purchased unlocked and unsubsidized. Even if you jailbreak the iPhone, you still are on the hook for the rest of the cost of the iPhone (either paying for the 2 years of service even if you didn't use it, or paying the early termination fee), still making it more than a $99 device when all costs are considered.

So, for your original statement to be appropriate, you can't compare the $99 iPhone to a full price N900. You have to compare both of them as unsubsidized, or compare both of them as subsidized + full contract cost.

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Laughing Man	2009-06-14 , 02:22
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Do you seriously think that you will have access to send SMS via GSM, or access the web via GSM for free?

Oh really?

Show me anybody in the US that is willing to let you do that for free.

GSM voice != GSM data. And every single US carrier will charge you for that. Show me otherwise. There's no "inside information"; that's just how it is. If you people think that you're going to get a device that will use the T-Mobile airwaves for free, you're mistaken.

Even the Peek costs a monthly and all it does is e-mail/sms over GSM (no VoIP).

Either pair the device with an internet capable phone. Or use it in WiFi mode?

As for free SMS, if you use Google Voice as long as you have some sort of data connection you can already send free SMS and get free phone calls.

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gerbick	2009-06-14 , 02:34
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Originally Posted by johnkzin

As I've said, I've already done it. Not unrealistic at all.

So you're in the habit of buying telephones and using them for what exactly?

Nice strawman argument. Free GSM service isn't what I'm asserting. It's what you're trying to build as a strawman argument, instead of admitting your assertion (that we would be FORCED to have a GSM fee on the N900) is completely unfounded.

You've yet to post one GSM data package by somebody that allows free access. Now, I triple dog dare you.

You say that you use telephones without using GSM data; I said simply that you will - if you use GSM data, it will cost you.

Strawman bah. You're just clutching at straws. Seriously... show me how to use GSM data without paying for it.

You wish to go down further down some geek semantic battle; allow me to say this... if you use only wifi - fine. If you use GSM - and THIS IS WHAT I'M ADDRESSING ONLY - you will pay.

Again. Show me how to use GSM data for free or silence. My point stands. Yours is semantics based only.

GSM data costs. What part of that is wrong? Prove me wrong.

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gerbick	2009-06-14 , 02:44
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To go further down this dumb path of GSM data - IF YOU USE IT - is "free"

http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/C...#Internet+Only

Seriously. Internet only costs $39 USD a month. N900 supposedly supports the T-Mobile

Now, please... show me how in the living world you are plucking this imaginary non-cost out of whatever you're thinking wherever GSM costs are involved. There is a cost involved whenever you use GSM data. Not wifi, GSM.

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	johnkzin	2009-06-14 , 02:57
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Originally Posted by gerbick

So you're in the habit of buying telephones and using them for what exactly?

At the moment, I use an E61i for a backup phone, and as a data transfer device.

Right now it has no SIM card, and uses Wifi-only for data. I use it to transfer data between my Oracle Calendar (SyncML only) and Google account (so my G1 can access that data, since the G1 doesn't currently have a SyncML client for calendar data). I pay $0/mo for this.

In the past, I had a pay-per-day SIM card in it (to use as a backup phone), which is a data-less service. So it was also wifi-only for data at that time. I paid $0/mo for GSM data when I was doing that.

Either way, no one forced me to buy a GSM data plan (and this was on T-Mobile, as well), nor pay for any form of GSM data for it. I bought a phone, I use it in different capacities (as a backup phone, as a data transfer device, etc.), and I haven't had to ever pay for GSM data on it. That's exactly what I've been asserting.

You've yet to post one GSM data package by somebody that allows free access. Now, I triple dog dare you.

As I said, I never asserted any such thing. You're just trying to press on with your strawman argument, and divert attention away from you unfounded assertion.

I said simply that you will - if you use GSM data, it will cost you.

That is NOT what you said. You said that if you get a N900, you will have to pay for GSM data. Those are two VERY different things to say. And now that you're being called on it, you're trying to construct strawman arguments about what I said, instead of admitting that you're wrong.

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gerbick	2009-06-14 , 03:02
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Originally Posted by johnkzin

At the moment, I use an E61i for a backup phone, and as a data transfer device.

Ah, ok. I have an N95 for the same thing (overseas travel mostly) and purpose.

Right now it has no SIM card, and uses Wifi-only for data. I use it to transfer data between my Oracle Calendar (SyncML only) and Google account (so my G1 can access that data, since the G1 doesn't currently have a SyncML client for calendar data). I pay $0/mo for this.

Make sense.

In the past, I had a pay-per-day SIM card in it (to use as a backup phone), which is a data-less service. So it was also wifi-only for data at that time. I paid $0/mo for GSM data when I was doing that.

Wifi-only is the key. But ok.

Either way, no one forced me to buy a GSM data plan

Nobody is forcing anybody. I have an OQO 02 now with WWAN, and I don't use it.

I'm saying though... the moment I want to use it (WWAN), it will cost. That's all I've been saying all along.

Well, it is 99 dollars. Your bridge in Brooklyn analogy only works if you didn't have to pay for GSM data in the upcoming N900 - which you will.

Either way, want to use anything other than wifi, you're paying for it.

Again... where in the living world was I wrong!?

Other than wifi, there's only GSM. And it costs. Period. Stop being thick headed. I said that in the beginning. Not budging because you can't read what I said.

Last edited by gerbick; 2009-06-14 at 03:07.