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2010-10-19
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The Registers take on it is quite amusing
"Windows is not the first thing we think of when we hear the word "open." When we hear the word open, we think of a golf tournament. But we see Steve's point."
"Yes, the man's arguments are bit muddled. But he's certainly right that Android faces a fragmentation problem. And we'd be very pleased if the world dropped this open and closed nonsense. Thanks to both Apple and Google, the words are now close to meaningless. ®"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10...bs_on_android/
"Windows is not the first thing we think of when we hear the word "open." When we hear the word open, we think of a golf tournament. But we see Steve's point."
"Yes, the man's arguments are bit muddled. But he's certainly right that Android faces a fragmentation problem. And we'd be very pleased if the world dropped this open and closed nonsense. Thanks to both Apple and Google, the words are now close to meaningless. ®"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10...bs_on_android/
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2010-10-19
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Steve is the one who is bing ingenous here ( and he cals Google out as ingenous).
He mentions Open vs closed and then cites Microsoft as the company people thing as the open - since "it has the largest user base"...and movesd on to compare the Google fragmentation with Microsoft one OS strategy.
Hos is that a discussion of OPEN in either the "Open Source" term (MS is not Open source by any stretch), or even the "OPen Platform" term (MS is not an Open platform either). So he is making ar argumentative comparison with something that doersnt hold true and HE knows it.
When you mention Open and Google talk about either Open Source and Open platform.
If you want to talk about Fragmentation - dont start off with the Open argument because THAT it isnt.
He mentions Open vs closed and then cites Microsoft as the company people thing as the open - since "it has the largest user base"...and movesd on to compare the Google fragmentation with Microsoft one OS strategy.
Hos is that a discussion of OPEN in either the "Open Source" term (MS is not Open source by any stretch), or even the "OPen Platform" term (MS is not an Open platform either). So he is making ar argumentative comparison with something that doersnt hold true and HE knows it.
When you mention Open and Google talk about either Open Source and Open platform.
If you want to talk about Fragmentation - dont start off with the Open argument because THAT it isnt.
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2010-10-19
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A slight tangent, but the recent John Sculley On Steve Jobs, The Full Interview Transcript is a very good read.
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2010-10-19
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Originally Posted by TheRegister
Really now. They still have a great degree of meaning, last I checked. Steve remains on the closed side and Android still lies, mostly, on the open side. Indeed, that extremely diverse pie chart showing all the custom ROMs proves this to be true.
And we'd be very pleased if the world dropped this open and closed nonsense. Thanks to both Apple and Google, the words are now close to meaningless.
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2010-10-19
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Originally Posted by richwhite
Agreed. If one only needs to call and text, all the added "smarts" will do is: cause more bugs (potentially ruining the "dumb" features too), slow down updates and make them untrustworthy, rise prices, shorten the battery life, add weight/size etc..
Nokia cover the whole market and realise one OS isn't enough for the entire userbase.
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2010-10-19
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Originally Posted by ossipena
It is not a matter of fragmentation, it is a matter of what the fragmentation does. Apple as one device, Nokia has 100? Android also "has" 100 devices. Fragmentation on iOS is not possible.
is the meego official api really the key ingredient needed to stop fragmentation? is it that simple? isn't googles approach somewhat similar?
what is the problem with android? does the dalvik fail because obivously there are differences between different version of os or where the fragmentation comes? I saw an article that said one needs to test an app with about 100 different configurations with android to be sure it will work.
If you try to defragment Android, you will end up with lots of equal looking devices. Good for Google, but bad for everyone else. Nokia on the other hand, can do whatever they want with Symbian and MeeGo, it will still be Nokia, and look Nokia. MeeGo will be fragmented to pieces, but still share a common ground, the kernel.
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2010-10-19
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that jobs blow jokes well but must admit he succeed with such jokes and reached the current status.
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2010-10-19
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Originally Posted by RFS-81
Yup. And if nothing else, no one is going to want to spend as much money as a laptop on a phone just for calls and texts. This is why, as Jobs said, Nokia make $50 phones. They're not the whole range, and the iPhone wouldn't exist without Nokia, but they are necessary devices still and thankfully Nokia still recognises that
Agreed. If one only needs to call and text, all the added "smarts" will do is: cause more bugs (potentially ruining the "dumb" features too), slow down updates and make them untrustworthy, rise prices, shorten the battery life, add weight/size etc..
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2010-10-19
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
I agree that Maemo is (was?) limited by the binary blobs but MeeGo is not - the closed parts for the N900 needed by MeeGo are now redistributable. MeeGo is much like android in that regard, an open OS but closed parts for hardware. It should be quite easily possible to "cook" MeeGo flashes for devices just as Android.
So they decided to release modem/camera/other device firmware code too? No binary blobs at all in MeeGo?
what is the problem with android? does the dalvik fail because obivously there are differences between different version of os or where the fragmentation comes? I saw an article that said one needs to test an app with about 100 different configurations with android to be sure it will work.
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