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2007-07-01
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Originally Posted by Seb Per
Really? Where? If it's stuff on the web, point to it rather than just being cryptic. Users who don't follow maemo-developers, IRC etc. are getting over-excited for no good reason - hell, I'm a developer and there's only a few things slightly exciting in those slides from a developer point of view, and *nothing* from an end-user point of view.
thx for copying the content of the link above. it s much clearer this way. but, there quite more available on the net ;-)
As you point out later, this next update (assuming there is one to support Skype) won't be chinook: there've been no early releases to developers which is *specifically* mentioned on the slides, due to the API incompatibility with moving up to a newer Gtk.
Cheers,
Andrew
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2007-07-01
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Originally Posted by aflegg
Andrew,
Really? Where? If it's stuff on the web, point to it rather than just being cryptic. Users who don't follow maemo-developers, IRC etc. are getting over-excited for no good reason - hell, I'm a developer and there's only a few things slightly exciting in those slides from a developer point of view, and *nothing* from an end-user point of view.
As you point out later, this next update (assuming there is one to support Skype) won't be chinook: there've been no early releases to developers which is *specifically* mentioned on the slides, due to the API incompatibility with moving up to a newer Gtk.
Cheers,
Andrew
I don't wish to be cryptic. It s just that I don't dare to quote things and particularlary quite technical threads that are - to my surprise - hanging out on the net. Also you re appearing there as a developper :-) however not in the most concrete ones, be assured.
For 2 reasons
- I don't think whether it s wise to point or copy paste this kind of information
- my technical knowledge is crappier than crap. So I limit myself to be just indicative. As you point out, I can see the community is excited, so don't want to add oil on the fire but rather between the cogs.
I think I posted a few days ago a message where I clearly I indicated how to find information I m relating to: google then relevant keywords. as easy as that.
It is true that end users don't gain anything from this kind of information. But terms and mythological names (Bora, Chinook, for example) create a fuzzy environment that generate mysticism that everyone is prone to absorb and project out.
Cheers
Seb
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2007-07-01
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Originally Posted by chilko
Yes, I know. I've seen it.
these few slides i've posted are from this presentation
Originally Posted by Seb Per
If it's on the web, it's discussable ;-)
For 2 reasons
- I don't think whether it s wise to point or copy paste this kind of information
It just seems like a few people here are being cryptic about the fact that Chinook will be Maemo 4.0; will use the Hildon Desktop rather than the Hildon Application Framework; that the Hildon Desktop will allow home plugins to be written in Python and that Nokia developers are working on it *right now*; they're working on moving it upstream for use with Ubuntu Mobile etc.; that it can be seen in development in Sardine and so on.
None of these changes in and of themselves should be particularly exciting to end-users, yet the mysticism around the future of Maemo is whipping them up into a frenzy.
Nokia are starting to be more open about Maemo's direction and roadmap, and finally trying to separate themselves out. There's no need to be cryptic, it's all public!
This is also how we can be relatively sure there won't be massive UI overhauls in the next firmware: Hildon is the most open source bit of the IT OSes.
Now, sharing information about future Nokia Maemo-based devices, or future N800 IT OS releases and their functionality (specifically in the non-open bits), *that*'s news.
Cheers,
Andrew
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2007-07-01
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Originally Posted by aflegg
Touché. I do agree. Not my fault if leaks do appear though.
Now, sharing information about future Nokia Maemo-based devices, or future N800 IT OS releases and their functionality (specifically in the non-open bits), *that*'s news.
Cheers,
Andrew
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2007-07-01
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#37
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Andrew, awesome post.
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2007-07-01
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#38
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It remains that there is more information around (Internet or outside) that what is officially available.
Building hypotheses does not help, and perhaps create too much trouble.
Perhaps we have to live with that, and just be patient ...
However I ll take as a positive sign of the hope there is about the new release.
Building hypotheses does not help, and perhaps create too much trouble.
Perhaps we have to live with that, and just be patient ...
However I ll take as a positive sign of the hope there is about the new release.
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2007-07-01
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#39
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Originally Posted by aflegg
So in the next firmware I will be able to make a home applet using python code? that's getting me VERY excited!
It just seems like a few people here are being cryptic about the fact that Chinook will be Maemo 4.0; will use the Hildon Desktop rather than the Hildon Application Framework; that the Hildon Desktop will allow home plugins to be written in Python and that Nokia developers are working on it *right now*; they're working on moving it upstream for use with Ubuntu Mobile etc.; that it can be seen in development in Sardine and so on.
None of these changes in and of themselves should be particularly exciting to end-users, yet the mysticism around the future of Maemo is whipping them up into a frenzy.
I say demonstration videos of this in Sardine on the net, and I couldn't wait to be able to do that for my own tablet. (without having to install all kinds of unstable beta code form Sardine).
I consider myself an end-user and not a developper, I'm not a programmer, but I can write python scripts that do very cool things (on PC, IT and S60). It is very easy, so I think a lot of end-users will be able to start making usefull simple home applets (very much like widgets, but in Python).
Right now I have to start python scripts using a launcher applet, making my own home applets would be VERY cool.
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2007-07-01
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Originally Posted by Bernard
:-)
So in the next firmware I will be able to make a home applet using python code? that's getting me VERY excited!
I say demonstration videos of this in Sardine on the net, and I couldn't wait to be able to do that for my own tablet. (without having to install all kinds of unstable beta code form Sardine).
I consider myself an end-user and not a developper, I'm not a programmer, but I can write python scripts that do very cool things (on PC, IT and S60). It is very easy, so I think a lot of end-users will be able to start making usefull simple home applets (very much like widgets, but in Python).
Right now I have to start python scripts using a launcher applet, making my own home applets would be VERY cool.
Now, what did I write? Bernard, please keep the excitement alive.
Sometimes enthusiastic believers are needed.
But not to start thinking that Bora, Chinook or Diablo will be the semi gods of our end-user lives
by the way: enthusiasm means "with the god within" in Ancient Greek.
Me too. API backwards compatability starting with 'Diablo'...
I'm thinkin' Diablo will be on new hardware leaving the N800 as a another "hacker's device".